Didn't want to have to do this but hopefully it'll save someone else from the same mistake.. DON'T TRADE WITH JCDAVIS@WAM.UMD.EDU After he contacted me about a trade, I mailed out his tape within 24 hours and he said he'd send mine right out. After several weeks and no tape, he gave me a bizarre story and promised to send it right out. Several more weeks, still no tape, another story, another promise to send it out. Several more weeks, still no tape, another promise to send it out. Several more weeks no tape and now no more replies which leads me to believe there was never any intent to send it. So avoid getting ripped off, don't trade withTop Permalink
if mailing to listproc is not working for you, then may i suggest that you are doing it wrong. either that, or a lot of people have been lying, because it seems to work for everyone else. and if nothing else, who remembers the part of the intro letter that list, but the owner...or try being creative...unsub minarets or some variation...surely you are not so one dimensional that you tried the same thing over and over, and then posted to the list. be creative, friend....or give me your site and password, and ill unsubscribe you myself....guaranteed (or you get 5 free 3 cent stamps) On Mon, 9 Jan 1995 19:26:37 -0500 THOMAS (POSTER NUTBAG) SLY man, your post was cool, but i must argue the validity of one statement... it is obviously another one of those BORED people who _LOVE_ pissing other people off! seriously believes everything he said... among the negativity and bitching in the last couple days, there is one really cool thing going on.... i realise it is a stretch to be an eternal optimist, but it always works out in the end.. :) :) it primarily because i am on other mailing lists, and i see the difference... not too many people are too terribly defencive, here....when i recieve something that simply says 'you posts are idiotic' i just reply with one of those 'who the fuck are you to tell me that' kind of posts, and i have recieved a good answer EACH time..... that is increadibly cool, because, on the phishnet, if you say that, 'Ill tell you who the fuck i am...i am someone who has known phish for eighty million years, and that makes me better than you, and you are an ass' am i over-generalising? well, of course, but here i almost always get.."yeah, im sorry --i thought this" or "that was how i took it" much better.....and i gave given several apologies myself... because, no a keyboard doesnt give me anymore power than anyone else. somewhat.....and yes, i know you said SOME people get the sense of power....i highly doubt you could tell me who those people are, though.... some people just have a different rhetoric style...it's like the thing about having fun at shows......all different kinds of people, of all different ages, have fun at shows....and i hate the way some of them do it... but that doesnt make them wrong, it just makes me less like them. some people like to pretend they know everything....fine...just let them know they are wrong, in your opinion. im not ragging on the phish net, or else id unsubscribe, but there, a thread will go on for 3 weeks, about something retarded, and everyone's hateful responses to that, and everyone's defencive responses to that, and on and on and on and on..... but, some people take it a little far, and i want to defend one of them (melessia)? agar...@knox.something.....you know who im talking about.... right? well, she apologised for helping start the age thread, and i just stared at my screen, and then went to sleep...but i had a dream that everyone here jsut started apoligising for everything.... ....blah blah blah blah" .."oh yea? Fuck You!!!" ...."oops, sorry, i meant blah the other way" .."oh, sorry. if you didnt mean it like that, sorry i said fuckyou" ...."its ok, im sorry i messed up in the first place" .."well, then im sorry i wrote you and wasted bw" ...."oh...im sorry you had to write in the 1st place due to my error" .."im sorry i made you realise you made an error" i promise that would not work.....it is in the fourth line, where people abandon that, and begin talking about something meaningful...to them the point? oh yeah....kudos to mellissa (or whatever her name is) agar for helping start that thread.....it wasn't a terribly bad one to check out from time to time...and it generated an interesting poll....as long as it doesn't get perpetuated for 9 years, but rather just come up now and again..... and i looked through messages on a friend's account this morning, since he hadnt checked them from break, yet....and the first time it had been mentioned in a while (unless i missed something) was on my setlist post for either the birmingham show, or the atlanta show.....but since this is a talking net... then starting threads is good.... toole...go hug mel agar.... and no i dont know about the harmonica peter's playing sorry..... :) well, this has turned out much longer than i expected.....but i still think we should be happy that this net is generally the way it is... because it could be like phish.net, and be angst center....or it could be like root-tribe, where 75% of the posts are...."Hi my name is Keith, and i am from Albuquerque, NM....but I am in Medical school in Tuscaloosa, AL now.....i have seen dave live 31 times.....and i love proquepines"....or it could be like widespread panic's where there are about two messages a day... or it could be like the MTWA.net where i have yet to not be confused by what they were talking about...or it could be like really deep thoughts, where talk of illegal boots and scalping seems welcomed, or it could be like horde net, where i seem to be getting both the digests AND each individual post, and i can't change it....or it could be like lorenna mckinnik's list, which i get delayed 3 days, or it could be like the punk net where the prime topic of conversation is 902105930091 and you get flamed for talking about punk........ but it's not... it's like minarets, where people who are more friends than enimies, more passive than mailbox flood happy, more positive than outwardly and unjustifiably negative, more caring than defencive, and more happy than angst ridden, can get together, and discuss......discuss whatever and even cooler.....the enemies, mailbox flood happy, outwardly and unjustifiably negative, and defencive people are respected here, too. everyone is free to speek their minds...and that is accepted.....until someone says to stop bitching, at which point, people usually stop. They stop partially because (in mho) they also respect us in return.... if one of those other nets sounds more appealing, then chances are you will be welcomed there with open arms. Just dont tell US to change, unless you have a justifiable reason you think we are missing......and there are certianly times when this is appropriate....i have a 2000 line-long list of different bands addresses (no, tanen, havnt done anything with it yet) and i will be happy to supply anyone with any directions i have, if they think they will be happier elsewhere, or if they just want to peruse another list(s). is this a touch hypocritical? Yes.....but to the left. there is a fine line between freedom of speech......and the phish.net but im not ragging on the phish net....it's just not for me as much as as this.....and i met a guy at the birmingham show, who said everything we talked about was trivial, and he didnt read it too much....wonderful how could i possibly not want him to be happy? i didnt say piss off.... minarets is killer, becaus he obviously didnt agree..... that's just one of the ways i differed from him..... now, if you will excuse me, i have to go make sure a girl who absolutely adores satellites got my instructions on how to get on.....even though we differ in that satellites is my next to least favourite song, while i love halloween..... and i have to write clare (i think----did you say i owed you mail, or you owed me mail?) hehehe----NOW you owe me mail miss clareemily..... which, ive been meaning to ask you..... do you (or anyone else for that matter) know of anywhere that sells pumpkin pj's? and then, i have to go help a guy, who two days ago called me a pointless idiot (or something like that), get the faq and lyrics file, because i told him that was part of his problem and he was very responsive, and willing to see my side.... and on the off chance that any 3 newbies, with less than 5 hours got this far, OR *anyone* with a high high quality bela fleck tape got this far, email me, if you would....just gimme the subject as newbie offer, and i will respond if you make the cut... ill give you a choice of three shows......but i dont know what yet ps---so ben.....did YOU read the whoole thing?Top Permalink
hmmmmmm...kieth, you thought about writing novels...heheh umm some intersting info for those who had metioned johnny clegg earlier. some pics and sound bytes can be found at the Internet Underground Musical Archive (IUMA). along wiht a ton of other bands... its pretty cool stuff.... I recommend the ftp method, its kinda easier to get around.... *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* |Chris "Boofy" Buford '96 | |cbuford@liberty.wlu.ed P.O.Box 322 4109 Park Ave. | |Washington and Lee Lexington, Va. 24450 Richmond, Va.23221 | |University | | | | Check out the newly revised BoofyWeb!!!! | | which also contains Clare's homepage..... | |v4.3 | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*Top Permalink
It was filmed inboulder. I have the bootleg where dave says,"you all are so friendly we thought this would be the perfect place to film a vidio, sorry about the kitchen like atmosphere" the boot I have doesn't have wwys on it though. kitchen like atmosphere refers to the light. Hopefully I can get the other set. Just trying to be of some assistance Clarke BrowneTop Permalink
and after the show he invited everyone back for a show around 4 the next day....they played with the Around, WWYS, Satellite, Rhyme & Reason, The Song That JAne Likes, Jimi Thing, and then WWYS once again for the video shoot....then later on, they turned the lights out and kicked some ass...i believe they took some footage from that night's show as well...but, what sucked about that nights show was that someone lunged a beer bottle at Dave right after playing Warehouse and before Say Goodbye...he was really sketched out about the whole incident. Who's the bastard that threw the bottle? Anyway, that is the story behind the video. My friend is in it! At that night's show he let's the audience sing "People in every direction, no words exchanged, no time to exchange" then he comes in to continue the song...pretty cool! So, just wondering, anyone know the Samples net address and how to join? Later.Top Permalink
video, and Dave replied, "That little girl's thinking, 'Don't make a video. That'll mean you suck." live, cuz that's what we do best" "If any of you have any free time around 3 o'clock tomorrow, you could come down here and maybe hang out with us and drink some beer....and dance around and fuck around"Top Permalink
such an interesting day. really. i'll begin by saying, that i woke up early early early in much pain. so sleepily i stumbled into the bathroom and roooted around in teh cabinets for drugs. (legal drugs. only legal drugs) and i found one type of (legal) drug that met my likings although the directions said, 'take one every six to eight hours' i was in a lot of pain. i took two right there. needless to say, i then woke up at 4pm. my day was gone. anyway.. when i woke up i had had a trippy dream and i was singing exodus. weird, huh? then i read my inbox and there was mucho hate mail. it was not happy for me. it was not a happy way to start my day. (on top of the drugs). so. i went about my way. then.. i checked my mail again.. few minutes ago. and i'm so happy. i really am. wonderful mail from so many wonderful people on this net. yes. this net. MINARETS.NET i love you all. dave toole wants to offer a hug to you all. and so do i. there were so many nice things said to, and about the members of this net, and there was a lot of love and comfort. good energy, good karma, and high levels of consciousness. it made my heart purrrrrr. so. then i had lovely drunk mail from nebuious. and it made me wonder why buford doesn't send drunk mail anymore.. hm... but i'll see ya tomorrow silly boopster and i'll scold ya then. so. also. about bad traders. i had a nasty flinch when i read that letter. whoa-boy. i must confess. i am guilty. i still have tapes of ever-so-patiend cliff's to send and i am a bad trader. i have had them a long time. but i do vouch my firstborn (or jason thompson's... who's ever comes first) that you will get yoru tapes. life has had me on a see-saw lately. (how much time does lately encompass? i mean.. can lately include the last few days? weeks? months? how lately is lately, exactly?) lately (few months.. builtup to the last month) i've been busy giving myself all the love i deserve and many other things in my life have happened to take a backseat to my own self-preservation and nourishment... SO since i feel like i'm back to the person i remember, and the person i vow never to loose again.. i will begin to slowly take on the responsibilites i owe others. but still not let myself get lost in the duration of the travels. cliff, like i said.. you get jason's firstborn. [wink] AND the tapes! well then i'm off, cause i've got a date at 4am. (aren't i a kook?) hee hee here's the long love-extended version of my sig... enjoy... spoons and love and my color green (not your green, my green) clare emily ******************************************************************************* 'men of the earth, brothers in eternity, shake your souls awake. the hour so long waited for, the promised hour, has come over the dark firmament of suffering. humanity is rising. the morning star heralding the day when you will understand that man's most sacred duty is to be man. that is to manifest LIFE INTELLIGENCE TRUTH and LOVE. there is no higher aim, no vaster problem. and you who realize this will break the fetters which ignorance and fear have bound. unconscious humanity will stand up free and know yourselves to be the eternal manifestation of the unmanifest. witnesses of the absolute, sons of that great all whom you call GOD.' *******************************************************************************Top Permalink
It (the video) was on at 3:25 EST on VH1 on a segment called Darcy's Music hosted by Moon Zappa. No walk on. She just said that Dave has been compared to Sting and that the album is 'extraordinary'...nothing special. Dave to all that may be interested in seeing dave on tv, he is supposed to be doing a walk on on vh1 (darcy's music, or something) the walk on was supposed to be today so i would suspect it would be aired tonight.Top Permalink
hey y'all late nighters, i'd like to tell a little story about my tiny little i like Sprite. alot. i drink alot of it. when i visit home, my parents just unload a case or two into my room, and i pop one open every ten mintutes or so. Sprite, essentially, is carbonated sugar water, but that doesn't bother me, as long as it doesn't go flat, it's still good. well, sometimes, as i type away on the little SE/30 here, i lose track of which cans have gone flat out of neglect, and, well, the ants that live outside my window didn't. it's common knowledge that ants don't like carbonation, by the way. they WAIT (patient little guys) until it goes flat. so, returning to my room after a short hiatus from Minarets, i find that ALL THE LITTLE ANTS ARE MARCHING RIGHT TO THE SPRITE CAN NEXT TO THE WINDOW. normally, i would freak out (i HATE insects)-- but, suddenly, Dave started singing in my head, and i didn't mind cleaning up the mess. they were rather cute, really. they were all doing it the same way, in this little line to and fro the can. now, my room smells like Raid, but at least i'm alone... i think. no, i'm not a slob. i just like Sprite. and so do my little friends. so, next time you skip track 7 on UTTAD, or lean on the fast forward button while listening to R2T, think about the modern wonder of carbonation and thank Dave for his Ants. goodnight, and beware the Allman Brothers on David Letterman! (i liked the trio from Hastings, though...) ;) -anyoneotherthanme ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ read. write. bike. eat. play disc. read. sleep? listen to dave. read. eat? surf the Net. munch. read. listen to dave. nap. strum... strum. eat. read. read. listen to dave. hear dave. write. read. repeat until they all do it the same... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Dominic Sagolla '96 dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu Swarthmore College dominic@raptor.swarthmore.edu Swarthmore, PA 19081 sagolla@cs.swarthmore.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Top Permalink
so. then i had lovely drunk mail from nebuious. and it made me wonder why Uh Oh.....im gonna have to report this to the authorities..... Shame on you Ben, so young, and already in a life of drinking... buford doesn't send drunk mail anymore.. hm... but i'll see ya tomorrow silly boopster and i'll scold ya then. I decided letting an entire mailing list know i was drunk was kinda stoopid... Well, i have to be going to class, its 8:53 am uhhggg! Rember, just becasue they're safety pops, doesn't mean they won't stick to everything.....and watch Goonies again....its really a greazt movie... *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* |Chris "Boofy" Buford '96 | |cbuford@liberty.wlu.ed P.O.Box 322 4109 Park Ave. | |Washington and Lee Lexington, Va. 24450 Richmond, Va.23221 | |University | | | | Check out the newly revised BoofyWeb!!!! | | which also contains Clare's homepage..... | |v4.3 | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*Top Permalink
so does anyone have it? My roomate wants to do some trading and figures that the net would be the easiest way. By the way, since some of you seem to know more about what DMB is doing than the band itself, when are they coming back down to Athens? Also does anybody (I'm sure some do) have the bootlegs of DMB and Tim Reynolds from like 12-3-93, innnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnncredible! When you get bored with new shit, put that baby in, probably the best Say Goodbye and Minarets around. Anyways I'd appreciate it if someone could send me the Panic net address. T.Top Permalink
If anyone out there has any Acoustic Kouka bootlegs Ill be happy to trade with U .I have PHish, Dmb, ANY dEAD. pLEASE RESPOND IF YOU ARE INTERESTED!!!!!!!Top Permalink
Now, To the old DMB fans... I can't decide how I feel about the radio play. The video on MTV is pushing it way far and I don't know how much more I can handle. My problem is that I know this is way selfish because the band has a right to be successful, but when people go around bad-mouthing the first two albums and saying that the live version of Ants Marching is not as good as the one on UTTAD I get very upset. What do ya think? Have a nice day! ROn My question is, why does it *really* matter if it is or isn't? We all pay Dave respect by listening to his music, and I guess someone might owe us something, somehow, but *they're* the musicians, not us. They can do and write anything they want, which means that we don't own them. Sure we can stop paying them any attention if we don't like what they're doing, but they're the ones creating, not us. So I guess it kind of bothers me when people say they like the older version of Ants better just as it bothers me when people say they like the newer version better. We don't create, so who are we to judge? And what if the band really hates the dueling banjos part of Ants and they never want to do it again? What do we do then? Do we tell them to stop changing and evolving however they see fit? Maybe the reason a lot of newbies like the new version of Ants better is because it *is* better, and vets like the old version better 'cause they're used to it. Hmm... Interesting way to think about it. In any case, I say, let them do what they think is right and leave people who like the new version of Ants alone. Bye for now, MattTop Permalink
All requests should be addressed to listproc@netspace.students.brown.edu. mail to spreadnet@netspace.students.brown.edu. spreadnet. For that, send mail to listproc@netspace.students.brown.edu. You don't need to put anything on the subject line of the message, but the text of the message itself should say (without the quotation marks, "subscribe spreadnet your name", where your name is just your regular name, not your e-mail address (listproc will find that automatically). Follow the directions for subscription except write "unsubscribe spreadnet your name". Make sure you keep this info to unsubscribe latr.... *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* |Chris "Boofy" Buford '96 | |cbuford@liberty.wlu.ed P.O.Box 322 4109 Park Ave. | |Washington and Lee Lexington, Va. 24450 Richmond, Va.23221 | |University | | | | Check out the newly revised BoofyWeb!!!! | | which also contains Clare's homepage..... | |v4.3 | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*Top Permalink
hey y'all late nighters, i'd like to tell a little story about my tiny little i like Sprite. alot. i drink alot of it. when i visit home, my parents just unload a case or two into my room, and i pop one open every ten mintutes or so. Sprite, essentially, is carbonated sugar water, but that doesn't bother me, as long as it doesn't go flat, it's still good. well, sometimes, as i type away on the little SE/30 here, i lose track of which cans have gone flat out of neglect, and, well, the ants that live outside my window didn't. it's common knowledge that ants don't like carbonation, by the way. they WAIT (patient little guys) until it goes flat. so, returning to my room after a short hiatus from Minarets, i find that ALL THE LITTLE ANTS ARE MARCHING RIGHT TO THE SPRITE CAN NEXT TO THE WINDOW. normally, i would freak out (i HATE insects)-- but, suddenly, Dave started singing in my head, and i didn't mind cleaning up the mess. they were rather cute, really. they were all doing it the same way, in this little line to and fro the can. i watched them for a while, but eventually it was Raid time. now, my room smells like Raid, but at least i'm alone... i think. no, i'm not a slob. i just like Sprite. and so do my little friends. Here here. Let's hear it for all the little Hymenoptera out there drinking soda around the world! Have you hugged an ant today? MattTop Permalink
While trying to fall asleep last nite I thought of something funny and ironic.. We first lost our shit when Dave was making a video, going "oh my god, its gonna be a new buzz clip, I hope it doesn't get overplayed!" Now, half of us still can't seem to catch it, and it only comes on at 1:45 am on eMpTyV and on Moon Unit's show on VH-1. heheheh i thought it waskinda funny..... Anyone wanna give me a PowerMac .... maybe with CD ROM...pleeze.... *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* |Chris "Boofy" Buford '96 | |P.O.Box 322 Coming Soon! Quote of the Day | |Lexington, Va. 24450 | |4109 Park Ave | |Richmond, Va. 23221 | |v4.4 cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*Top Permalink
I just read a post and would like to further warn people not to trade with jcdavis@wam.umd.edu. I have been waiting for my tapes for a month now, and still haven't even gotten a response from him yet, except a few excuses. I have done many trades, and have never had a problem like this before. I think people like this give a bad name to the net and the whole purpose of having one. If you can't trust people, what is the point of being part of it. I don't want to start another war here, because I know that most people are honest here on this net, but what can you do about those who aren't? Isn't there something that can be done? Like I said, I have never had this problem before, so nobody take this personally. And not for a moment am I saying that this problem represents the net as a whole, cause it doesn't. At the risk that he may still have all intentions of sending them out, I heavily apologize to him and all, but when a trade is being made, it is kind of nice to update the person who is expecting your tapes, if you know what I mean. A little common courtesy goes a long way. Sorry for wasting anybody's time, but I felt it necessary to vent some frustration and make it available for all to hear, after all, I listen to everybody elses. Well until the world becomes a place where eveyone can be trusted, which I hope will some day be true, BUYER BEWARE!Top Permalink
I am in need of help! First off I was wondering what the address for the God Street Wine net was. Did anyone catch their NYE show? I heard it rocked quite hard. Secondly, all this WWW stuff and http has gotten me quite confused! If some kind soul out there would help me get started on this (trust me I am a quick learner) I would be most Grateful! Peace & Out... Japhy Listen to Phish, walk around and sleep alot.Top Permalink
Happpy New Year to all. happy to see all the bickering that's been going on, but hey, if we all thought the same, life would be boring, eh? ANywyas, I am interested in trading for some tapes of fall shows, if anybody has them. The shows I'm interested in 10/28/94 Vic Theater, Chicago, IL 11/14/94 Vogue Theater, Indianapolis, IN If anyone has these shows, I have lots of DMB,WSP,Rusted Root, Samples, and Phish to trade for my 1st 2 shows. Thanks a lot, Steve sakunz@miavx1.muohio.eduTop Permalink
To post a message, send it to finewine@netspace.org To subscribe/unsubscribe to PLEASE do not post requests to (un)subscribe to the mailing list. If you have a question about the administration of the net, email budke@netspace.org specifying which list and the problem. TO DIGESTIFY ------------ By popular demand there is now a digest option available for the Finewine mailing list. (Insert applause here) It is even automated!Top Permalink
ok simple www stuff... You will see lots of things that look like the phrase in my sig if your running on a UNIX or a VAX type lynx and the phrase lynx is the keyword to look for the stuff certain documents If you can find a nicer computer with MOSAIC, which is a graphics included WWW browser, look in the menus for the open URL command then enter the http stuff a U(niversal) R(esource) L(ocater) is the http stuff it also works with ftp ie to get right to the live graphics hope this helps..... *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* |Chris "Boofy" Buford '96 | |P.O.Box 322 Coming Soon! Quote of the Day | |Lexington, Va. 24450 | |4109 Park Ave | |Richmond, Va. 23221 | |v4.4 cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*Top Permalink
First- the DMB thing. Some guy sent sweetbriar bootleg,& I lost your address. please EMail me with it. Second_ I heard that the simpsons might be taken off th air. is it true that such an awesome show could be cancled. I say that we all unite and potition for it to be kept on. Any way thanks for your time Clarke Browne "Nacho Nacho Man, I want to be a nacho man" Homer J. SimpsonTop Permalink
how many people are subscribers to this list? do we know? can we find out? how many people receive all the random babble i post? this age survey stuff got me curious... catherine I was curious too but for a different reason. I'm sure Keith has told you all about our inability to find anyone at the Atlanta show. Well that got my brain working. I plan to find out how much it would cost to make buttons (pins) for the people on the minarets as sort of an insignia and symbol to others at concerts. I heard from Keith that someone was going to try to make t-shirts-- this is not meant to upstage that effort. Buttons seem the most logical since they should be cheap to make, easy to mail and you can wear them with anything night after night (we went to B'ham the next night). I was upset that I has no way to distinguish those on the minarets and those who are not, I was actually ready to yell aloud in the lobby for minarets to step forward and make themselves known. Anyway I'll post more about this when I find out the cost an d when everyone has returned from the holidays.Top Permalink
I have made some recent posts answering questions about getting on the widespread panic and god street wine mailing lists along with some WWW stuff DO NOT WORRY.....you guys are not all on spreadnet or finewine now.. I just happened to have been on both at one point and had the info.. i figure alot of you might be interested in these mailing lists... I hope i didn't throw to many of you for a loop.. Sorry .... *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* |Chris "Boofy" Buford '96 | |P.O.Box 322 Coming Soon! Quote of the Day | |Lexington, Va. 24450 | |4109 Park Ave | |Richmond, Va. 23221 | |v4.4 cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*Top Permalink
with Daves unique styleI got as many tapes as I could until I saw that the same songs appeared very often. well, I haven't lost interest. Reading a couple set lists, it appears as though Dave has a couple new songs. I guess I am a little out of touch seeing that most of my DMB tapes are 93's. I would love to get some new tunes, or any crisp '94 sbds. I have some good Phish tapes and a couple great DMB. thanks ZACTop Permalink
I had some time to blow and my options included programming, programming, and smoking...so, i'll smoke (and eat jelly beans, gourmet, of course) and type till I've had, at least, one of each of the flavors of my jelly beans. But, you know, I may as well have two of each flavor, just so the other isn't alone in the deep recesses of my stomach. I have this friend, I guess you'd call him a friend (of course you would, I'd hate to think that I have any REAL NME's) who is kinda new to the whole dave matthews scene. You know what's funny about my friend...of course you don't...why'd I ask...to answer it myself, of course. What's funny about him is that he's a huge trend expert. I've never seen a trendier dude in all my life. All of a sudden he thrust himself into the whole DAMABA area and went at it full force. But, you know what, he started out as just another groupie-type, a grown-up version of the little ones that everyone was complaining about earlier...but now, he actually stepped out of the whole fad thing and into a whole new level of fandome...I'm really impressed when someone like him develops a new attitude toward bands like dave...taking it from the level of 'what does everyone around me like' to the level of 'what do I want to like' then to 'how can I appreciate this more' I just thought this was cool, and I figgered (I know how to spell it) I'd share it with everyone. I need more jelly beans, please, send me some, they don't even have to be gourmet...but it'd be nice, and I'd probably return the favor with big smiles, and maybe a hug for whoever needs one. Always chew your jelly beans before you swallow them, ShugTop Permalink
sorry kevin, but seeing as how i am a virgin user of this fucking machine i have deleted your address, your identity, sorry but i will still respond--the boulder shows sound great, richmond too, and i do have boots of dmb--i could just send you best one if you like- cause dates escape my mind right now--but maybe you could pass on vital info like address--or maybe this info is availible to me but i am blind to it...hmmm so yeah and by the way-halloween is an esoteric song, fantastic, beautiful rare/raging all these things-but not all possess the flamethrower spirit, passion, bitter bile, and temperment to understand the rabid wanderings, mutterings, and throaty growls from d so just practice understanding...the music wells up inside few of us, pools at unique levels, overflows and cascades...so if people don't like certain holidays, sobeit...i know some are turned off by almost, keyword, almost indecipherable lyrics but hey that just makes listening all the more interesting....so kev, talk to me again--i am a true newbie, fuckup...and to the rest of the scribers, hey from the vapid wasteland of rochester...someone should tell dave to visit here and convert restless souls....hmmm ok later...ericTop Permalink
you know what's missing from the net? music. we're all sitting around here (openly) discussing a band, but for the lucky number of us who have no computers of our own, we have to sit in a computer lab at our respective universities, colleges, and places of employment and listen to the clicking of our and others keyboards. just a minor gripe. happy new year everyone. hope at the end of it we can all say happy old year. 355 days to go until next time. i didn't make it to any dave shows over break, but it's probably just as well. i tend to hurt muchly these days. but i thought i'd share a short summary of what i did do. not that it matters. just a peaceful sojourn from the icky poopy moods that have been pervading our lives lately. anyway, i had mentioned before that there was the possibility that shannon worrell was going to play in c-ville on nye. as many of you know by now, she was at dave on nye, so the possibility was nothing more than a wasted dream. BUT, that's not to say that i didn't have a killer nye. (how do you pronounce "nye"?) well, as i mentioned before, i had my sinuses worked on by the skilled hands of the uva ent department, so they were kind enough to place in my hands a phat perskiption of percocet, which in well, i saved my last two for nye, which i spent with jeff peters of this here net, and a common freind of ours, and just as i walked into this quaint little bookstore they kicked in. let me just say it was the coolest bookstore experience of my life. just ask jeff. i wondered around for an hour staring into the blue sky (we won't worry about the fact that i was inside, as well as it being night) and making random sound effects and picking up and perusing books that have no interest of me (iglek zormi's "how to make your own panflute) and more or less (or more, or more and more) really enjoying myself. then (and this is the part that may interest the people around here who don't know me), we sat down, in of all places, the c-ville courthouse and saw terri allard. she's good. she's really good. i don't know much about her, just that she's a solid member of the c-ville underground, and that she has a beautiful voice (even more beautiful in the surrounding psychedelic world of percocet), and that she has alot to say. she was also joined by a c-ville fiddler, and the two of them together sounded incredible. anyone else down there at uva who knows about her and can clue us all into more, i'd be much obliged. after that, i showed my steel plates to jeff, and then we stood on a bench, watched fireworks, and while i was stoned out of my mind, jeff and our freind acted stoned out of their minds, and overall, it was just a really hepcat kindof experience. our grand finale was chicken and pancakes with iced tea at the italian villa. tomorrow i'll share with you jeff's first experience with waffleing around at a waffle house. like i said, though, not that any of this matters. see ya'll in february... ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________ "PENIIIIIIIIIIIIS!!!!!"-jeff peters\ stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.eduTop Permalink
just got a new Some new C.D.'s on the tip of my brother. The grapes from athens are awesome. Sound very dead influenced, with some WSP in there also. Must buy if you have not already. second, The Gibb Droll band From Charlottesville, V.A., the home town of Another great band we all know and love. Very Blues influenced. He is an incredible guitarist. Just informing you. Sorry for the lack of DMB material, but I think we'll live. ClarkeTop Permalink
i'm outta here! away from this rain, the flooding, the parents, the west coast and ALL THAT! just wanted to say, please don't reply to this address, cause my dad will be REAL confused if he checks his mail and finds clare spooning and Boofy smoking and keith rambling and toole... tooling and everyone else screaming from the Minarets if you want to talk about the little ants marching, please send to the address in my .sig, 'k? laters, y'all! -anyoneotherthanme ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ read. write. bike. eat. play disc. read. sleep? listen to dave. read. eat? surf the Net. munch. read. listen to dave. nap. strum... strum. eat. read. read. listen to dave. hear dave. write. read. repeat until here you can rest safely... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Dominic Sagolla '96 dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu Swarthmore College dominic@raptor.swarthmore.edu Swarthmore, PA 19081 sagolla@cs.swarthmore.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Top Permalink
just a fellow vermonter relocated out to washington state wanting some good music. thanks much for your fine work. amy subscribe afrost@smith.smith.eduTop Permalink
Now, To the old DMB fans... I can't decide how I feel about the radio play. The video on MTV is pushing it way far and I don't know how much more I can handle. My problem is that I know this is way selfish because the band has a right to be successful, but when people go around bad-mouthing the first two albums and saying that the live version of Ants Marching is not as good as the one on UTTAD I get very upset. What do ya think? Have a nice day! ROn My question is, why does it *really* matter if it is or isn't? We all pay Dave respect by listening to his music, and I guess someone might owe us something, somehow, but *they're* the musicians, not us. They can do and write anything they want, which means that we don't own them. Sure we can stop paying them any attention if we don't like what they're doing, but they're the ones creating, not us. So I guess it kind of bothers me when people say they like the older version of Ants better just as it bothers me when people say they like the newer version better. We don't create, so who are we to judge? And what if the band really hates the dueling banjos part of Ants So who are we to judge??? My friend we are the people who allow the band to do what they love for a living-- as a sole means of income. We are the audience that allows their performances to be more than a mere rehearsal. Even Carter realizes the impact the fans have and is very courteous and humble when he thanks them. Respect is a two way street my friend. Please allow me to elaboraate for a moment -- Though i have never been a particular fan of U2 There was one interview with Bono regarding Zoo TV in which he said something to the effect of -- well if the fans don't like it screw them. I was mordified that anyone would bite the hand that feeds them in such a rude and tactless manner. It was at that point that any respect I may have ever developed for that band or its music flew out the window. It went beyond the point of judging the music at all-- that would be a sad state for DMB. and they never want to do it again? What do we do then? Do we tell them to stop changing and evolving however they see fit? Maybe the reason a lot of newbies like the new version of Ants better is because it *is* better, and vets like the old version better 'cause they're used to it. Hmm... Interesting way to think about it. have no intention of taking that away from them for I myself can be considered a newbie who has been through an accelerated program since I live with Keith. Now for my point -- I. in my newbie state, heard the UTTAD version first and love to sing along and beebop to it. Then when the whole which is better thread was going on Keith had me sit and listen to the earlier version. Carter hit the drum about 17 million times and thruogh the first half or so of the song I felt like screaming -- Get on with it -- it was then that I actually listened,not just heard the words. My point, which I promised so long ago, is that veterans to DMB have listened and it is obvious to them that the newbies have not. It is important to them. It is almost as if someone who dogs the earlier version with little thought to their words is being blasphemous, and that can be hurtful. In any case, I say, let them do what they think is right and leave people who like the new version of Ants alone. Bye for now, Matt Sorry about the length but i refuse to be accused of taking anything out context.Top Permalink
Does anyone have any information about any current Tim Reynolds' projects? jonathan 1-800-HELP MYSELFTop Permalink
So who are we to judge??? My friend we are the people who allow the band to do what they love for a living-- as a sole means of income. We are the audience that allows their performances to be more than a mere rehearsal. Even Carter realizes the impact the fans have and is very courteous and humble when he thanks them. Respect is a two way street my friend. Please allow me to elaboraate for a moment -- Though i have never been a particular fan of U2 There was one interview with Bono regarding Zoo TV in which he said something to the effect of -- well if the fans don't like it screw them. I was mordified that anyone would bite the hand that feeds them in such a rude and tactless manner. It was at that point that any respect I may have ever developed for that band or its music flew out the window. It went beyond the point of judging the music at all-- that would be a sad state for DMB. I guess we can judge all we want, but the creative act exists without our money. Maybe *they* don't exist without our money, but the creative act stands alone. I guess what we all seem to forget is that a band that *we like* made a new version of Ants Marching that a lot of newbies like. And if they want to say that they like the new version better than the live version, isn't that a credit to DMB for producing a variation that reaches other people? Conversely, if we put down a group of people who like something we don't like (i.e. newbies who like Ants on UTTAD), shouldn't we also put down the band that produced it. It's only fair. I'm just saying that we can't do one without the other. But I don't think any of us are planning on putting down DMB's efforts quite yet. One last point newbies do have the right to enjoy what ever they want and I have no intention of taking that away from them for I myself can be considered a newbie who has been through an accelerated program since I live with Keith. Now for my point -- I. in my newbie state, heard the UTTAD version first and love to sing along and beebop to it. Then when the whole which is better thread was going on Keith had me sit and listen to the earlier version. Carter hit the drum about 17 million times and thruogh the first half or so of the song I felt like screaming -- Get on with it -- it was then that I actually listened,not just heard the words. My point, which I promised so long ago, is that veterans to DMB have listened and it is obvious to them that the newbies have not. It is easy to resent that (and to me perfectly understandable) since this music is important to them. It is almost as if someone who dogs the earlier version with little thought to their words is being blasphemous, and that can be hurtful. I'm sure "veterans" know a lot more about the music than newbies, but that doesn't mean that they own the music. And shouldn't our response to a rash newbie who acts like s(he) knows it all be "well, have you heard any of the old stuff; it's pretty good, too". We should try to bring them into the fold, so to speak, and if the don't want to come in, let 'em go, and don't get so mad about their opinions. It's their own loss, not ours. mad and mean about what they say. Peace all, and good night, MattTop Permalink
So who are we to judge??? My friend we are the people who allow the band to do what they love for a living-- as a sole means of income. We are the audience that allows their performances to be more than a mere rehearsal. Even Carter realizes the impact the fans have and is very courteous and humble when he thanks them. Respect is a two way street my friend. Please allow me to elaboraate for a moment -- Though i have never been a particular fan of U2 There was one interview with Bono regarding Zoo TV in which he said something to the effect of -- well if the fans don't like it screw them. I was mordified that anyone would bite the hand that feeds them in such a rude and tactless manner. It was at that point that any respect I may have ever developed for that band or its music flew out the window. It went beyond the point of judging the music at all-- that would be a sad state for DMB. I guess we can judge all we want, but the creative act exists without our money. Maybe *they* don't exist without our money, but the creative act stands alone. I guess what we all seem to forget is that a band that *we like* made a new version of Ants Marching that a lot of newbies like. And if they want to say that they like the new version better than the live version, isn't that a credit to DMB for producing a variation that reaches other people? Conversely, if we put down a group of people who like something we don't like (i.e. newbies who like Ants on UTTAD), shouldn't we also put down the band that produced it. It's only fair. I'm just saying that we can't do one without the other. But I don't think any of us are planning on putting down DMB's efforts quite yet. One last point newbies do have the right to enjoy what ever they want and I have no intention of taking that away from them for I myself can be considered a newbie who has been through an accelerated program since I live with Keith. Now for my point -- I. in my newbie state, heard the UTTAD version first and love to sing along and beebop to it. Then when the whole which is better thread was going on Keith had me sit and listen to the earlier version. Carter hit the drum about 17 million times and thruogh the first half or so of the song I felt like screaming -- Get on with it -- it was then that I actually listened,not just heard the words. My point, which I promised so long ago, is that veterans to DMB have listened and it is obvious to them that the newbies have not. It is easy to resent that (and to me perfectly understandable) since this music is important to them. It is almost as if someone who dogs the earlier version with little thought to their words is being blasphemous, and that can be hurtful. I'm sure "veterans" know a lot more about the music than newbies, but that doesn't mean that they own the music. And shouldn't our response to a rash newbie who acts like s(he) knows it all be "well, have you heard any of the old stuff; it's pretty good, too". We should try to bring them into the fold, so to speak, and if the don't want to come in, let 'em go, and don't get so mad about their opinions. It's their own loss, not ours. mad and mean about what they say. Peace all, and good night, Matt hello, i guess you could categorize me as a newbie although personally that term has been flung about this small room in a derogatory manner, sweatyshirtesque so whatever, i think most versions of most dmb songs kick so who cares? into the fold....veterans.....ants marching as a song ain't on my top ten anyway...oh well pettiness, petticoats, petunias, i may be new on net but....hey oh well, appreciate music, glad that d is around, praise all you can. (sd) ericTop Permalink
have not already. second, The Gibb Droll band From Charlottesville, V.A., actually gibb is from my home town of va bch. grayTop Permalink
who likes the new susan powter better than the old one? ? you know, i'm just as eager as the next guy, girl, dog, hippopatumaus, hippie, yuppie, guppie, groupie to be rich and famous one day. but i have to wonder, is it worth it? along come the people who suddenly know your name and then they sit around and ponder your name, and start talking about what makes your name so much cooler than the rest of the names in the world (even if they happen to be the same name). then come along the people who know you to the most intimate detail, and you start dealing with things like people sitting around complaining about what your doing. accusing you of letting them down. accusing their freinds of fostering this supreme let down. i would think that you would just get this screw it mentality at this point and say things like "if the fans don't like it, screw 'em." then if your lucky, you either get shot, or you kill yourself, or both. fame and fortune. there's a catch 22. catches you. then kills you. stop griping!!!!!!! for chris's sake. i HATE the uttad ants. i HATE the r2t satellite. i also HATE true reflections and granny. i also think boyd's grin is cheezy. but that's ME. that's not YOU. and if it's such a pressing matter in your life that you need to take offense at my opinions, or anyone's opinions, i suggest you take a chill pill. anyone who bases their deepest mores and convictions on a music group is a dolt. yes, that is a flame, yes you may flame me back for it. if you feel the need to publicly flame me on the net, make sure you do a good job of making an ass of me, because we all hate frivolous flames. you can find some inspiration (as i said, i song i hate) in whatever corner of dave's (or boyd's(or carter's, or leroi's, or stefan's) mind you see fit. that's the beauty in it all. it's your interpretations that all matter, and in all honesty, it's your interpretations that humble dave the most. trust me, when you say negative things about dave, he takes it to heart. but i'm sure that if you start arguing about what's good and what's not, and when you start telling people that they suck for it, he's going to laugh at you. as are alot of other people. this is a behavior known in the world of common sense as NARROW-MINDEDNESS. not that i've never fell victim to such a dreaded acute (sometimes chronic) affliction, mind you. but let's see the smooth vibes hold out here in the land of tall spires. or something like that. dave is cool. that's all we need worry about. did i say worry? that's the last word i meant to use. dave is cool. (.) ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
this year), and i've listened to 2things, uttad, &recently until i'm now forced to ration myself to avoid having the music lose any of it's luster. .........I NEED HELP...... although bereft of dave tapes to trade, i have 100 very high-quality dead tapes to trade(low-gen.,no boombox dubs, all nakamichi,digital, beta hi-fi), including a tape from the fox theatre, atl. 11/30/80 that is truly special and rare. speaking of the fox, i would especially love to find a tape of dmb at fox, 12/27. i saw the show , and thought it stunning.... line and i'll zip you a list and recommendations. thanks, 75714.1363@compuserve.comTop Permalink
who likes the new susan powter better than the old one? ? you know, i'm just as eager as the next guy, girl, dog, hippopatumaus, hippie, yuppie, guppie, groupie to be rich and famous one day. but i have to wonder, is it worth it? along come the people who suddenly know your name and then they sit around and ponder your name, and start talking about what makes your name so much cooler than the rest of the names in the world (even if they happen to be the same name). then come along the people who know you to the most intimate detail, and you start dealing with things like people sitting around complaining about what your doing. accusing you of letting them down. accusing their freinds of fostering this supreme let down. i would think that you would just get this screw it mentality at this point and say things like "if the fans don't like it, screw 'em." then if your lucky, you either get shot, or you kill yourself, or both. fame and fortune. there's a catch 22. catches you. then kills you. stop griping!!!!!!! for chris's sake. i HATE the uttad ants. i HATE the r2t satellite. i also HATE true reflections and granny. i also think boyd's grin is cheezy. but that's ME. that's not YOU. and if it's such a pressing matter in your life that you need to take offense at my opinions, or anyone's opinions, i suggest you take a chill pill. anyone who bases their deepest mores and convictions on a music group is a dolt. yes, that is a flame, yes you may flame me back for it. if you feel the need to publicly flame me on the net, make sure you do a good job of making an ass of me, because we all hate frivolous flames. you can find some inspiration (as i said, i song i hate) in whatever corner of dave's (or boyd's(or carter's, or leroi's, or stefan's) mind you see fit. that's the beauty in it all. it's your interpretations that all matter, and in all honesty, it's your interpretations that humble dave the most. trust me, when you say negative things about dave, he takes it to heart. but i'm sure that if you start arguing about what's good and what's not, and when you start telling people that they suck for it, he's going to laugh at you. as are alot of other people. this is a behavior known in the world of common sense as NARROW-MINDEDNESS. not that i've never fell victim to such a dreaded acute (sometimes chronic) affliction, mind you. but let's see the smooth vibes hold out here in the land of tall spires. or something like that. dave is cool. that's all we need worry about. did i say worry? that's the last word i meant to use. dave is cool. (.) ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ to possess...plain common sense." \ dave matthews band --immanuel kant \ lyrics extraordinaire __________________________________ \_________________________________ and i quote many a bumber \ rick thompson \____________________________________ yes thank you....they all do it the same don't they....complain complain, opinions, now there's a thought....hmmmm yes rick has it right...coolitcats it's music-it's vibrations attuned to your auditory canal...the wind spirals in empty places....smoke n enjoy ericTop Permalink
Just seeing if i can get this friggin aol thing to work right I cant believe I have to pay for this..... heheheTop Permalink
Dead, etc.) for a HQ DMB show with a cover of "Tangerine". I know they've done it, I gotta hear it. Thanks... Peace, Dan wrongway@gagme.wwa.comTop Permalink
Hey everybody- 712 people on this mailing list - I know the question had arisen not so long ago. Take care-Top Permalink
If anyone is interested in helping out a newbie to start his collection with some good quality boots please e-mail me. Thanks. jon Jonathan Nelson a015880t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.usTop Permalink
They did not shoot a videoat the NYE show. The camera was there for a simulcast. The dave show was being shown downstairs (where the opening band played) as it was going on upstairs. They WERE and I mean WERE going to record it, but some dickhead stole the VCR before the show. As one who set up the show on NYE, and who did security for Jeff at the soundboard I know these things. Believe me. There was and is no video from NYE. WadeTop Permalink
From Mailer-Daemon@u6. interna l id NAA05024; Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:01:23 -0500 This is a MIME-encapsulated message --NAA05024.789847283/noc.sura.net just got a new Some new C.D.'s on the tip of my brother. The grapes from athens are awesome. Sound very dead influenced, with some WSP in there also. Must buy if you have not already. second, The Gibb Droll band From Charlottesville, V.A., the home town of Another great band we all know and love. Very Blues influenced. He is an incredible guitarist. Just informing you. Sorry for the lack of DMB material, but I think we'll live. ClarkeTop Permalink
I got my hands on the lyrics to Monster if anyone wants 'em, e mail meTop Permalink
just got a new Some new C.D.'s on the tip of my brother. The grapes from athens are awesome. Sound very dead influenced, with some WSP in there also. Must buy if you have not already. second, The Gibb Droll band From Charlottesville, V.A., the home town of Another great band we all know and love. Very Blues influenced. He is an incredible guitarist. Just informing you. Sorry for the lack of DMB material, but I think we'll live. ClarkeTop Permalink
Marianne is not happy. No...very, very sad... Philadelphia is sold out. Ticketbastard was useless, couldn't tell me how big the venue is, or when they sold out... And interestingly enough, they have no listing for the Connecticut shows or the University Park shows whose tickets I was ready to gobble with demon-like voracity. I would appreciate any information about getting tickets to any of these locations. Perhaps college venues don't sell through ticketmaster? I could use Numbers to call etc. No limit on # of Tix. sold at Roseland or Irving Plaza. Irving says they have no information til next week, but they are 99% sure that they will be selling (thereby avoiding unnecesary surcharges.) I'll keep ya posted... ----------------------------------- delivered by the ILTnet gatewayTop Permalink
1. I was wondering if anyone had the guitar tab. for "Get in Line", thanx! 2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the title Under the Table and Dreaming 3. It's only a matter of time before dmb performs on the Late Show withTop Permalink
Hey everybody- To most this will be useless info, but I just found out there are 712 people on this mailing list - I know the question had arisen not so long ago. Take care- -Steve(not feeling creative at the moment) also, during the fall i received about 10 requests for the lyrics and faq a week. this isn't a true indication of how fast the net is growing, because people tend to lose these files all the time and ask for them again, but i'd say about 80% of 'em are new netters. also, i finally remembered to bring a copy of r2t with me to the lab, so the lyrics file will reflect that jane is indeed on that cd (something it doesn't do now. duh!) ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
I have two earlier shows (90 and 91, i think, and a piece from 89). I'd love to have ANY other TR3, but especially these four shows that were just announced... to recall, that's ziggys tonight, lexington thursday at the raven and crow, and miller's (in charlottesville) on the 20th and 21st. I have 300+ hrs phish, 120+ hrs gdead, 20 or so hours DMB, 130+ hrs misc, and 3 hrs TR3 to trade, and will buy the masters from you if you hate the show; tapes and tip for time. Danke. See you on the 20th... FAQ File Administrator for rec.music.phish & phish-digestTop Permalink
you know, it took over a year for someone to bring to my attention that i forgot to put the song that jane likes in the lyrics file. why didn't anyone tell me sooner??????? anyway, i just typed it in, and i thought i'd send it to the net for those of you that want to keep all of dave's lyrics in cyberspace, and those of you who don't have r2t. also, i have started an alternative versions lyrics file, including halloween. halloween has been posted before, so i'll hold out on reposting it and the file until it's more of a file. if you want to help, feel free to transcribe any versions of any songs that you feel is so substantially different than it is now that it deserves note. i'm trying to limit myself on say goodbyes and drive in, drive outs, but feel free to do whatever you want for halloween. i may devote a whole file to the song if we get enough substantially different versions. The Song That Jane Likes and in plays to write the wire in i'll come back again taorching time talking rhymes in i'll come back again would you like to play with the thought of a friend in a distant passing stage while you lie around with hands up and down so resigned you will fall down while you around here play wild on the warm and far away while you around here play the days keep scrbbling themselves in tidy lines would like to play with a fool holding hands with a one-eyed jack of spades while on the deck they sing all of the captain's cards are kings still he and the queen are lost at sea i hope it isn't you and me and i'll be back 'round again yes i'll walk in time with you old freind and we'll find that place that we had danced so long ago and in plays to write the wire in i'll come back again torching time talking rhymes in i'll come back again with this resigned the letter i sign ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
hi I feel like trading again. But first, I know I owe a few people tapes... I'm trying to sort through LOTS of email to see to whom I owe what. Please email me if I owe you tapes. Some of y'all had finals then a break. I work in a bookstore and unfortunately, the holiday retail season ate most of my brain. thanks, JOE :P Joe & LauraTop Permalink
No limit on # of Tix. ----------------------------------- delivered by the ILTnet gatewayTop Permalink
I've got several questions about past show dates... First, I've got a Dave and Tim Reynolds show dated 4/22/93, but I don't think that's the correct date - I have never seen it mentioned, and this copy isn't labelled too well. It has no location given and no setlist. I believe that the first song is Satellite, after which I think Dave says that it is the second time the two have played together...has an INCREDIBLE Lie In Our Graves jam by Tim. Any help on the location, date and setlist (the copy itself is broken in several places, so I'm not sure if it is in order) would be great. Also, my 9/27/94 copy of the album release (UTTAD) is broken up in several places, anyone with the correct setlist please mail me. Still more, and probably most important to me... Anyone with a copy of the last show Peter played with the band (Big League Chew?) please mail me... I WILL MAKE YOUR TRADE WORTHWHILE. Finally, Valentine's Day is approaching. 34 days, for those of you who will not see the band until then. Listen to old shows (from the Greisar Age), and just think how great some of these songs will sound backed by an entire symphony. For a time I thought Halloween would be great, and it may be, but Lover Lay Down... We'll just have to patiently wait for all the songs... Andrew acox@s850.mwc.edu acox@liberty.uc.wlu.eduTop Permalink
3. It's only a matter of time before dmb performs on the Late Show with Letterman! eeek! dave and paul? could be *interesting* really really really really really scary, but interesting nonetheless.............. keithTop Permalink
My mom is making me sign off because of bad grades. I knaow how juvenile. please keep me up to date on the rare tree and what ever might be important. Talk to you when my grades improve. To the guy that gave me the Sweetbriar show. please send me your address via snail. clarke Browne. for tree or anything else. usxe28b clarke Browne if I do not reply 1516 Myers Park Dr.Top Permalink
HEY ALL. Happy,happy to be back screaming and later on to be dancing from the minarets and surely making faces. * * i's do not own a computer of me own, so my communicating ability is under the control of lab hours. and i usually am not awake by the time this lab is closing. i am sorda vampiresque. too many things.... anyway, tomorrow i shall write some interesting tidbits on my interpretation of DMB members on NYE, on the bootleg CD, on our dwindling right of soundboard feeds and other things. but for now this lab is closing. the NYE show i overheard DMB's manager saying that in the NEXT COUPLE weeks DMB would be performing on David Leterman!!!!! o.k. go,Dave,go...but....Dave Leterman is known to fuck with people and lead them on...i can see DMB's manager,Coran, trying to sell Dave to Dave to the point of Dave saying....o.k., o.k., we'll have your kids on the show...then booking them a year later...who knows...but i'd definately be alert...Rusted Root snuck onto Conan o' Brian almost without warning...sooooo.....keeeeep eyes and ears OPEN. 1/12 Awful Arthurs 17th street(up street from Flood Zone) 1/13 Rack n' Roll E.Main Street (shockoe bottom across from 1708 club) 1/14 Walnut Alley Tap 17th street (small place,good vibes) we are an acoustic power trio. there are two guitars and vocals and i play an African drumset, learned how to play by banging on my chest at over a hundred Dave Matthews shows. Carter de' groovyiest..... tahnx for yo' support. and remember to Scratch Yo' Jones. PEACE.Top Permalink
Hey ya'll... do you know of the movie 'cry freedom' about steve biko, the south african freedom fighter guy that was killed? obviously i'm butchering the tragic story of his life, but it just dawned on me that dave's song share's the same title... (boy i'm a quick one hmmm? how long did it take me to figure that out??). just thought maybe we could find someone on minarets that has seen the damn film so they could clue us in. so. then i had lovely drunk mail from nebuious. and it made me wonder why glad to be of service. oh, and if you ever call me nebuious again i'll take away your slippers AND MAYBE EVEN THE FISH. heh heh. ps---so ben.....did YOU read the whoole thing? oops... no fair, when i signed up for this class they said there wouldn't be no stinkin pop quiz... ben just another memo from the cellar, ************************************************************************Top Permalink
I just got an obscene amount of blanks and am in need of tapes. SO, all you kiddies out there with low gen SBD's please get in touch with me. I have a small collection of nice DMB and a rather obsessive collection of Phish to trade with ya. Please, help me use all these blanks and waste my money on postage! Peace & Out... Japhy Listen to Phish, walk around and sleep alot.Top Permalink
Yep, Dave is in fact scheduled to be on letterman. It was supposed to be last night(Tuesday), but they had to delay it till next week. By the way this info is from Dave's mother so it should be rather reliable. I'm only sixteen and have been jamming to DMb since 91 or so, so don't discount every teenager that marches into a show as an ignorant follower of the hip. Nick D what's your address, write me!!Top Permalink
1. If I owe you a copy of 9-1-92, sorry. TJ- your tapes go out by the end of the week. There's another pair of blanks that I have on top of my stereo that will go out soon as well, but the name escapes me now. If anyone has some soundboards from any of the NYE run shows and feels like trading, let me know. 2. OK- I can't get in touch with Ben, who has the tix, and I don't know if he wants to buy mine or sell all three, so this is a PRELIMINARY OFFER ONLY. If you want tix to see DMB with the Richmond symphony orchestra on Valentine's day, let me know. I was planning on making the trip, but many things have happened to convince me that it wouldn't be a great idea. Problem- the tix are not together. However, it sounds as if some minaretters will be getting together pre and post show for some fun and frolic, so it would still be a lot of fun- maybe you can bring an understanding date or something. Price- $50. Ha Ha. Don't flame. Actual Price- face value ($29?) plus ticketmaster charges. Again- the tix may or may not be for sale, but I don't know when I'll be in touch with Ben, and I don't want to have to eat these- I'm a poor man. I'm pretty sure at least one ticket will be for sale. Ben T., if you're out there, get in touch. I may be up at your fine institution tomorrow evening.Top Permalink
A friend and I have compiled a pretty extensive stack of DMB bootlegs from `91 through `94 and are willing to trade. Want tapes of quality and definitely more variety. E-mail a show list if interested.Top Permalink
Here's what I scribbled down off the hotline. If this was posted while my mailbox was locked, sorry for the repeat. Anyway, I missed lotsa stuff, DMB with Big Head Todd and the Monsters Jan 26- ? Jan 27- Somewhere in New Hampshire Jan 28- Bates College, Maine Jan 30& Feb 1- Lupo's, Providence, RI Feb 2 - Orono, Maine Feb 3- Field House, Trinity College, Hartford, CT Feb 4- Orpheum, Boston, MA Feb 5- TBA (Please let it be New Haven!!!) Feb 7- Northampton, MA Feb 8- Albany, NY Feb 10- Philadelphia, PA Feb 11- TBA Feb 12- Penn State U., Pennsylvania The Symphony Shows aren't on the hotline Feb 17- House of Blues, New Orleans, LA Feb 20- Syracuse, NY Feb 21- Somewhere in New Hampshire Feb 23 & 24- Roseland Ballroom, NY,NY There you have it, Again, sorry if this was posted earlier.Top Permalink
HORDE.net is saying that Dave is touring not only with Big Head Todd, but a band who I've heard of called Ugly Americans. Bleh bleh bleh. Ben just another memo from the cellar, ************************************************************************Top Permalink
I just got the new issue of CD review, and it has a small article on DMB in it's new bands section in case anyone is interested. Kinda funny I think, it is yet another article that just cannot seem to define their music.....It did, however, compare DMB's methods for gaining a devoted audience to those of Springsteen, Metallica, and U2.......wierd..........Dave's quote-"What creates our sound is five completley different personalities that for some reason really enjoy playing together.........." Sounds about right, don't ya think??Top Permalink
much love, dave ps dave matthews is so awesomeTop Permalink
am also on the Allman Bros. net, and they appeared on Letterman Tuesday night. Most of the talk on that net seems to center around how difficult it is for the band to play a song in only about 3:30, when their normal tendency is to jam around for a few minutes. Anyway, I think DMB could fit more into this restricted mode of time, but it would definately detract from their performance. It would limit what songs they could play, and possibly not allow any of the members to show their incredible musical talents due to the fact they had to hurry the song up. I think having DMB on Letterman will be great for them, but it will be a shame if what happened to the Allman Bros. happens to DMB. They looked very out of context trying to cut about six minutes off of what they would normaly play during Midnight Rider. Oh well, just my $.02 worth. Rusty bullard@coral.bucknell.eduTop Permalink
Where is Sweetbriar College anyway? And is Trax spelled w/ one 'x' or two? And the 02-04-94 and 04-05-94 Athens shows were plated at the Georgia Theater correct? Anyone? The promo posters went up around town today. They are pink...? It says DMB 'in concert with' Big Head Todd. Not saying who is the headliner. It is the same as the ad in the Phoenix (Boston City Paper) so I guess they will be using it everywhere... DaveTop Permalink
to be in the Rochester/ Syracuse area wothin the next couple of months? Have tickets already gone on sale and how can I get them? I'm not subscribed to the net, so can someoneTop Permalink
Just to let you all know, I heard What Would You Say tonight on the "comercial alternative" station in New Orleans. The same station that LOVES Mazzy Starr (yuck-who likes repetitive sad music, anywayz?) My friend said he heard a Dave song in Taco Bell! Pray to god that Dave wont be on Taco Bell's next "hip" CD. In Tulsa, I heard Typical Situation on Digital Cable Radio. Very Cool. Later, BT's Run Around was also aired... But I do think the the video will become a buzz clip before too long, but I think there is no chance of Dave attracting the fullout "pop" audiences and following that Spin Doctors created... Dave's music is just too complex for most people to understand and appreciate. But, I also think that Feb. 17 will be the LAST TIME that I will get to see Dave in a bar that only holds 500 people. BUMMER. By the way, MARDI GRAS is Feb. 28 this year.... The biggest days are the last 5 or so... yahoo! (Todd, you better come!) later, victor wandres@tulane.eduTop Permalink
i tried to go to sleep this morning at 7 or 8 or 9 and there were a bunch of workers outside the house wouking working working working like ants..... weird hammering the same way i think dominic had a point except for that he killed them all and its illegal to harm workers ... keithTop Permalink
hi everyone- I just thought I'd share this story. I hadn't seen the video until the other night (just say no to mtv) when I was in...TARGET. That's right, the close-circuit tv in the music/electronics dept had DMB playing. Oh my. Cheers, Justin | "..old enough to know what's right, but young enough | Roweman | not to choose it...noble enough to win the world, but | croutons@leland. | weak enough to lose it" | stanford.edu | -Rush |On a midnight radio..Top Permalink
people...this is soooooo weird.... i was just looking at all the little forms for the raredave tree people and i noticed something odd..... i have (for analogue, high bias) 33branches, and 19 leaves.... i have never seen anything like taht...ever and i was wondering about other stuff.....too, but i keep wanting to goto sleeeeeppp...but... toole...toole toletoole toole..md toole mail doesnt go to you.... it gets returned...help help... try mailing me....please? thanks :) keith oh--- andd to my newbies... tomorrow....k?Top Permalink
Somebody correct me if i'm wrong but I believe this unbelievabale three day 2/15 Spin Doctors House of Blues 2/16 Blues Traveler " 2/17 Dave Matthews Band " WOW!!! What are the chances Popper sits in with the other two bands??? Insane! I don't think I can road trip... :( ________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________Top Permalink
SO does the reliable letterman source comes from Dave's mom... Which Dave? Letterman.... ...or Matthews...? hmmmmmm..... *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* |Chris "Boofy" Buford '96 | |P.O.Box 322 Coming Soon! Quote of the Day | |Lexington, Va. 24450 | |4109 Park Ave | |Richmond, Va. 23221 | |v4.4 cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*Top Permalink
are you people serious???!!!! the dave matthews band sucks! Get a life! matt hammill dartmouthTop Permalink
Matthews Band AND Big Head Todd and the Monsters! Too bad that BOTH OF THESE BANDS SUCK BIGTIME!!! And get me off your pathetic list!! matt hammillTop Permalink
I'm looking for a HQ tape of the Hammerjacks show from this past summer (7/27/94???????). If anyone is willing to put together a trade, I'll be more than happy to do so. I've got a pretty good selection of shows from 92, 93, and 94. E-mail if you're interested! Thanks. Mav PS--Does anyone know the exact night when Dave will appear on Letterman??Top Permalink
Please send me a mailing list of upcoming shows. My E-Mail address is --mfavero@dcs.uga.edu My postal address is --M. David Favero Thank you very much. DavidTop Permalink
O.k., this has probably been brought up a zillion times. I didn't see it in the FAQ but that doesn't mean it's not there-I am notrious for overlooking the obvious. My heartfelt apologies to all, dear readers. However, in my effort to perfect my procrastination technique it occurs to me to ask if anyone has actually seen anything in the 3-d pic on the album cover or poster of the album cover? I'd like to second (or third) the opinion that the web page is wonderful and keep us posted when new goodies are available. Information is not Knowledge, Knowledge is not Wisdom, Wisdom is not Truth, Truth is not Beauty, Beauty is not Love, Love is not Music, Music is The Best!Top Permalink
Hey there! I'm just following up on the comment about Cry Freedom the movie. Having only recently heard the DMB song of the same name, I was curious what the connection might be about between the song and movie. I don;t know the lyrics, so I can't really compare. But the basic theme of the movie is liberation and isolation... how one black man (Steve Biko) argued and fought for the liberation of himself and his nation from an oppressive system and how one white newspaper editor who befriended him (Donald Woods) had to escape the one country he had ever called home just to get the remarkable story of his friend out to the world... Considering how many DMB songs deal with yearning for physical, emotional, and/or spiritual freedom, I thought there might be some connection. The movie is good. The soundtrack is excellent, and the final song (also called Cry Freedom) is chilling and invigorating. Lots of African rythms and such. Thanks for letting me ramble. Be Well! jerm \ Jeremy C. Graves [jgraves@world.std.com] Cambridge, Massachusetts /Top Permalink
Just a few things to say(after all, it is lunchtime). About that guy who totally flamed the net...normally I wouldn't be one to say anything, but you are a poopie head. Also, thanks to Dusty for those superb tapes, especially the Lexington show. Cry Freedom was amazing and I really liked the jam into Halloween. Great filler too. Also, thanks to Katharine for my tape back. And what's the deal with Dave on Letterman? I think I purged that message by accident. And finally, does anyone know anything about the Lucasfilm Tie Fighter simulation game. It turned my hard drive into a major snail. Bye, AdamTop Permalink
people, The DMB and BHT are playing at Dartmouth in the near future. I guess as some kind of promotion evidently random people from Dartmouth were somehow added to this list. So, I woke up this morning to find a ton of messages about a band I think is rather shitty and contrived. If the messages were about a cool band like Pavement or Dinosaur Jr. I'd be psyched. But the Dave Matthews Band, give me a break. Again, I would have no reason to talk to any of you if i hadn't been put on your stupid list, maybe it was a mistake. But you still all suck just as harsh ly as the Dave Matthews Band. sincerely, Matthew J. HammillTop Permalink
Where is Sweetbriar College anyway? And is Trax spelled w/ one 'x' or two? Sweetbriar College is a small all girls school in Amherst, Virginia. Its an hour south of Charlottesville, and an hour east of Lexington (unless you drive like my ex girlfriend who goes there, she swears a 25 min trip). Trax is one x....to bad its not 3, like those cheezy porn channels Traxxx ... hehehe *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* |Chris "Boofy" Buford '96 | |P.O.Box 322 Coming Soon! Quote of the Day | |Lexington, Va. 24450 | |4109 Park Ave | |Richmond, Va. 23221 | |v4.4 cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*Top Permalink
Yeah, on the stereogram there is a hand showing the peace sign, it is flattened in a non-three-d way around the thumb...but it is definitely there. Have you been able to see others? Some are remarkably detailed... ----------------------------------- delivered by the ILTnet gatewayTop Permalink
Finally, Valentine's Day is approaching. 34 days, for those of you who will not see the band until then. Listen to old shows (from the Greisar Age), and just think how great some of these songs will sound backed by an entire symphony. For a time I thought Halloween would be great, and it may be, but Lover Lay Down... actually, i think some of the sound affects peter uses on songs like true reflections (granted, a song i feel is intrinsically flawed) and others sound pretty stupid. don't get me wrong, some of the things he did are so missed by the band that they won't play certain songs anymore (so much to say, people people) and rightfully so. what i would suggest is zoning to under the table and dreaming and some of the really ethereal mixes they put on boyd and you will get just a dashing hint of what's to come. particularly, pay attention to satellite (a song i have a feeling will make me cry that particular night, honestly) and jimi thing. (hey boofy, think they'll have any bagpipes?) though i would have to agree that if the symphony can emulate what peter did for lover, we're all going to mess our pants. ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
3. It's only a matter of time before dmb performs on the Late Show with Letterman! certianly not....do you know something that we dont? eeek! dave and paul? could be *interesting* really really really really really scary, but interesting nonetheless.............. keith with paul playing (albeit electronic) hammond organ, paige was left to really tear his grand piano apart. not that there's any piano left in dave songs. hey, maybe paul could make things interesting. personally i think dave would fit right in with dave. or something like that. ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________ would you rather see him on conan? \ stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.eduTop Permalink
O.k., this has probably been brought up a zillion times. I didn't see it in the FAQ but that doesn't mean it's not there-I am notrious for overlooking the obvious. My heartfelt apologies to all, dear readers. However, in my effort to perfect my procrastination technique it occurs to me to ask if anyone has actually seen anything in the 3-d pic on the album cover or poster of the album cover? Well, I've never seen it discussed here, and I hope it's not in the FAQ. That would ruin the surprise! I love the stereogram on R2T, cos it's the only one I've ever been able to see!! It makes me happy :) Any thoughts as to what the band might be doing after all the tour dates that were just posted? "Be happy, it's one way of being wise..." -Dash :) ps. hey y'all, what's up with the Wake tree??Top Permalink
First there was a feeling of exhilaration. "Yippy Yeah my tapes arrived!!" Three new tapes billed as second and third gen sound board dat. o.k. cool. Then there was the guilt..."oops uh I didn't send my tapes out yet. Still have 2 to tape." Since all this occurred after some carousing around town, I stayed up relatively late fulfilling my obligations. So this morning on my rushed way to work (guess I stayed up a little too late, cause I overslept), I decided to pop in my newly acquired treasure...but something's not right, folks...dave is hidden behind the diabolic chimera of hissy static...gotta turn the volume up to like three to hear properly...NR on, treble down, bass up then down, it just ain't workin'... And now I'm stewin' and brewin' a bit. Trying to rationalize doin' the right thing, but having a rough time escaping this feeling of being tricked. I don't want to send my tapes out now. I want to send those tapes back. Dave through a tin can is never good... I know, I know. I especially should send out my rarest and neatest dave (Special thanks to Adam V whom I will never stop thanking--and a little got me into this trouble) This poor guy is forced appearantly to always listen to dave in a can. Spread the goodness, love and pure joy that is DMB. Still, I can't help feeling cheated. These goods were not delivered as billed. I am angry, disappointed, increasingly cynical... I guess the only constructive thing I can add is a little reminder to those newbie grovel in a real sweet way then be tricked into trading for something that ain't so hot. Anyone wishing to spoon or hug this dark cloud from the core of my soul, is certainly encouraged to do so...Advice and nebulous sympathy would also be appreciated. How would you handle it? --"Would you like to swim naked, maybe make love in the water?" Newly fav DM quote ;-) ----------------------------------- delivered by the ILTnet gatewayTop Permalink
After reading your comments on hearing Dave through a tin can, I I think everyone on this net has gotten spoiled (myself included) with hearing excellent quality 1st and 2nd generation dave tapes. I remember when I got my first dave tape a few years ago, (election night 92), it was so fuzzy and horrible that the Halloween song was barely distinguishable. I, instead of bitching, was overjoyed to have a recording of such a great band in my hands, since they had no cd's, and had no plans of changing that fact. This was also when there were only 2, *maybe* 3 people taping shows (on good nights), so ALL the tapes came from one of very few places. These days there are shitloads of people taping (I counted 13 analog and about 7 or 8 DATs at the NYE show), so we EXPECT great sounding dave. My point is--just be glad you've got a tape of this band that you would not otherwise have if you hadnt known anyone on this net, or that someone hadnt kindly volunteered to tree for you. Be grateful. Kiss the ground that they walk upon. But dont bitch. On a closing note--Even though Ive recently obtained a 1st gen copy of Election night, nothing beats the old fuzzy copies of 11-2-92 or 11-17-92 that you can barely hear peter in. They are great, and I'll listen to either of those before some of the SHIT that DMB is playing now. Just venting a little, Wade PS-Can I have one of your fish postcards?Top Permalink
hmmmm....sometimes the tin can effect makes me happy... yunno...the old days where the only tapes you could find were a friends frineds friends copy....from who knows when a Trax... before the soundboard was the best.... To hear it in your car, you had to turn it all the way up or have a big amplifier... Listnen to Bagby adjusting mixes during songs...peters keyboard being quite load, then disappearing.... Most of my musically performancewise best tapes are my worst quality... my best version of Drive In Drive Out full band has hiss....i jsut get used to it...kinda puts a date/age on tapes....like good wine... Not that im not happy with the stellar patches we get now.... just everything cant sound perfect.... and ill take anything thats a good performance, whether its clear or not... somehting i taped two nites ago is primary vocals due to the nature of the venue, but I just nix the midramge to bring em down, and still listen to it, guitar, drums are hard to hear, bass is almost nonexistent... still a gREAT performance (clare and emily, Q&M) yunno what im tlking about) when i see someone day "lookin for high quality tapes" or "1 or 2nd gen soundboard only" i think you are limiting yourself a nd missin alot of good shows..... and on Mariannes post....i dont htink anyone was tryin to trick you... dpending on someones collection, their opinion of quality varies....I though i had a great sndbrd of dave when i started getting into him. Then i did my first tape myself back in 93 and it amazed me.... sometimes poeple have different perspectives on what is good qualtiy this isnt directed at anyone or anything....jsut ramblin off toop of my head.... *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* |Chris "Boofy" Buford '96 | |P.O.Box 322 Coming Soon! Quote of the Day | |Lexington, Va. 24450 | |4109 Park Ave | |Richmond, Va. 23221 | |v4.4 cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*Top Permalink
From minarets@moose.uvm.edu Thu Jan 12 12:47 EST 1995 people, The DMB and BHT are playing at Dartmouth in the near future. I guess as some kind of promotion evidently random people from Dartmouth were somehow added to this list. So, I woke up this morning to find a ton of messages about a band I think is rather shitty and contrived. If the messages were about a cool band like Pavement or Dinosaur Jr. I'd be psyched. But the Dave Matthews Band, give me a break. Again, I would have no reason to talk to any of you if i hadn't been put on your stupid list, maybe it was a mistake. But you still all suck just as harsh ly as the Dave Matthews Band. sincerely, Matthew J. Hammill We apologize for "sucking", as you put it. What you need is a really, really, really big jar of gourmet jelly beans... it may not make you like DMB any more than you already do, which is obviously very little...but it will make you smile, I promise...try it. Hoping for CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, ShugTop Permalink
Yes, in some ways I know you are right. Just by being on the net we have access to great stuff that many others don't have. But there is mucho great quality stuff in existence, and I want it even if every dave fan can't have it. I am grateful. I am thankful. That don't mean that I don't want more. There is the sensitive soul within me. But surely you can understand the inevitable frustration... Look, my collection is new and growing, I have spent lots of time hooking up MANY friends not on the net with my tapes, they who have none. So I am always eager to find friends that _do_ have tapes, ala swappola everybody happy. My point was less bitching about poor quality (admittantly a component, not central feature) but more the problems of communicating about what is good and what is not good. I hear 2nd gen and am told HQ, i think "good" I want that. Trade. Maybe not everyone understands that with each copy the gen gets bigger? If someone had said, I have some, not so good, I would very likely say, nah don't want, but why don't you send me some tapes and you can have whalla this. See the diff? Still no takers on skinny dipping... M Oh BTW, I do not agree that Dave is playing SHIT nowadays, nope not a very accurate adjective at all, but If you wanna try and convince me by sending some of your great quality old stuff I'd be glad to send you the new tapes I got last night ;-). ----------------------------------- delivered by the ILTnet gatewayTop Permalink
Shug, while I totally admire your motivation, I don't apologize for sucking. We don't. I'm all for constructive criticism, tho. Maybe there are people on the planet who like DinoJr and that other band. One thing that distinguishes people on Minarets is open-mindedness and lack of superiority complexes. This dartmouth guy wouldn't belong even if he did like DMB. There's something redeeming in just about every kind of music, and even in every person, no matter how hidden it must be in dartmouth-boy's personality. Seems like most people on this net see that. If d-boy doesn't he should be quiet and go away.Top Permalink
I cannot come to terms with the fact that although I am a mere 2 hours away from Philly, I will not be seeing the show. First, I have created some really neat tape covers (Ben T. gets full photo credit on each one) and although I have not resolved a few technical issues of getting them from the computer, these are only temporary. You tell me who or what you like best, I could provide some neat covers. (Anyone who trades with me also gets these, compliments of the trade...maybe incentive to Boofy, clare, and anyone else who sounds like they have a collection which I could never listen to without their help?) There is, however, an additional caveat, I really really need more than one. Minimum two, hate to sound demanding, more is better ;), but what I want I have not got... Behind Curtain number2: now I admittantly don't know what I am getting myself into with this, but I am seriously considering buying a mid-level analogue recorder so i can start taping some shows. I still need to do some shopping and some interviewing of admitted tapers (Boofy?), but there is always that possibility that I will try and tape the Philly show...assuming link available...and perhaps just the mere possibility is enough to sway your thought process in my favor... marianne ----------------------------------- delivered by the ILTnet gatewayTop Permalink
why did you bother to subscribe if you hate them. --- end of quoted material --- I did NOT subscribe to this list, i was somehow put on it as some kind of marketing ploy to get me to buy tickets to the show when the band comes here. I didn't know it was possible to subscribe someone else to a newsgroup but evidently it is. I guess its easy enough to get someones email address though. I really do not have a great hate for Dave Matthews( though the music is not my cup of tea), i just felt the urge to flame a newsgroup that is filling my computer with messages. I am on several other similar groups currently so I really do not need a large dose of new messages for no apparent reason. Whoever thought of the bright idea to add a bunch of random people to this list must have realized people would flame just for the fun of it or because they were actually pissed off. I am more amused myself by this than pissed. connection whatsoever to seattle/grunge bands. And they are certainly not standard MTV fare. DMB may not itself be a contrived band, but they are being followed by people who I see as being possibly insincere and trendy. I fear for the DMB that they would be turned into another Phish or Blues Traveller by people who realize that the Dead are getting tired, and must find a new band to follow around and put their stickers on their Saabs of volkswagens as they wear birks and yet are somehow more in touch with the earth and and more peaceful than me. something like that. Cowboy Junkies, My Bloody Valentine, and Uncle Tupelo especially for music that isn't "contrived" as I say. matt hammillTop Permalink
anyone got the idea I'm having a slow day at work, and particularly jonesing for a DMB show? 'Kay, quick response to sumthin boof said... Yes, I agree that some recording of a great show is better than none. But if good exist...(and what I hoped I was getting)* Also, I did not mean to directly accuse anyone of deliberately deceiving me. Intellectually, not an issue. Emotionally, being occassionally reactionary, there is the Feeling of being fooled (located right of the heart, just above the stomach and akin to briefly losing one's breath) which is probably not very different than being disappointed and looking for a scape goat. "What you see, what you see, what you see is human" marianne *the particular trader and I have resolved all, it was a misunderstanding of course...I am now prepared to let this particular aspect of the thread fall by the wayside. ----------------------------------- delivered by the ILTnet gatewayTop Permalink
I'm quietly trying to put together a piece of magic but need some help to flush out a few rough edges. I'm looking for fraternties and nightclubs in Virginia that' be interested in hiring some live out-of-state music. I can only say at this point that it's bands you've heard about on this and other nets, and that there may be a total of 30 shows. Please respond personally, to me, at jeg5s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu rather than to the net or to jeg5s@virginia.edu Danke mucho. Ellis (of Lemuria) -- Ellis ("of Lemuria") Godard * * POB 3240, Charlottesville,VA 22903 jeg5s@virginia.edu jeg5s@faraday.clas.virginia.eduTop Permalink