Hey all, I was cruising the WWW and I stumbled across a thing called the Ultimate Band List. Anyone heard of it? Anyway, I decided to look up DAMABA and the listing was pretty incomplete--only gave the net address. I updated it, with links to the faq, chords file, lyrics, hyperlyrics, and homepage. Enjoy. ------ Also, I created a dave talk page tonight with sounds that scott miller Enjoy all you web surfers. -Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------Top Permalink
Hello all, Redemption Song Two Step Drive in Drive out I have a few good qual shows to trade (@9 tapes, I think). including 10-8-94 Avalon Boston, MA (1st gen sbd) Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks Dave(telvis@acs.bu.edu)Top Permalink
99.1 WHFS, Baltimore/DC DMB radio sighting....!!! Jimmything on the radio! Just thought I would waste some bandwidth with this. Tnx... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------Top Permalink
i really didn't mean CASH (above the ticket price anyway), although that certainly has its merits... i was speaking more in terms of rare Bagbys, etc... anything good that i would like to have... sorry if you all assumed i was some kind of huge capitalist whore... if i wanted cash, i'd name a price- instead i was trying to see what people had to offer... just trying to clarify- hope you all understand. ********************************************************************** this wonderful message brought to you by jonathan "python" felton..... **********************************************************************Top Permalink
Tonight, the DMB played their very first ever show in California at the Palookaville in Santa Cruz (the one that cost $5). And it rocked! First of all, no one seemed to really know who they had come to see (probably as a result of the 5 bux tickets). Secondly, the place definitely qualified more as a club than a "venue". Seek Up Best of What's Around The Song that Jane Likes Dancing Nancies Warehouse Satellite Rhyme and Reason Jimi Thing Say Goodbye TRUE REFLECTIONS What Would You Say Tripping Billies Recently #36 Ants Marching solo Christmas Song The show lasted about 2 hrs. 15 min. and was the best of the 5 shows that I have been to. The band seemed restdhappy to be alive, especially Dave, who emitted quite a bit of Davespeak for such an unfamiliar audience. Carter was jammin pretty hard, too. I'd say that Dancing Nancies and Jimi Thing started everything off very nicely for me. Say Goodbye and True Reflections was the climax, and Christmas Song sent everyone into oblivion. I would write more about the show, but I'm about to fall asleep after the best night of my life, so I suspect I could write more commentary after the Davis, San Jose, and San Francisco shows. Hope to see ANYONE there! BTW - if anyone taped the show, i'd love to trade for it!Top Permalink
On my recent turkey week trip out to Utah to do a little skiing, I happened to be listening to the radio....yikes, I admit it.... Anyway my point is that they are playing DMB out in Utah. Productive work on RCA's part. The guys haven't even made it to that state yet. However there are still people out there that go "Who?" when you mention Dave's name....namely one friend of mine from Montana. I told him that Dave was playing in his home town of Bozeman, MT over turkey week and he exclaimed the aformentioned...."Who?" aside, I am one who doesn't turn that box of non-sense on when I am bored... I put a live show on my stereo instead, but ANYWAY...I happened to see something on MTV last night that I am a very strong supporter of and thing think, many of us should at least takes a looksy at it. It has to do with the latest version of the Real World. I know many of you may be quick to jump and say... "Oh that just a stupid soap opera version of how none of us live...." and yes that is probably true... but if any of you have ever watched the show, then you might know something about the guy on there named Pedro Zamoro (sp?) As some of you might know he living with the AIDS virus and struggled through many parts of the show due to his illness. He also lived the healthy times in his life to the fullest and was an annimate activist for AIDS rights and AIDS awareness. Well three weeks ago today, Pedro past away. MTV did a memorial to him last night, that was very inspiring and very sad at the same time. Well if you can catch it, please just take the hour to sit down and watch the program. In a time when many of us sit behind this computers healthy and illness free, it is very reflective to watch someone only a few years older than you, waste away from a preventative disease.... OK enough of my schpeel.... now back to your regularly scheduled newbie discussions and tape trades.... let it snow let it snow let it snow * * * * * * * * there is my version of snow...pretty bad...just use your imagination... AND finally, check out my new WWW page.... its not totatlly done, but if you wanna check it out the address is at the bottom of this message under my LONG sig, that I need to change... hugs from red to dude emily check out my new WWW pageTop Permalink
i wrote this same message yesterday, i think, maybe two days ago, but anyway, maybe i'm writing to the wrong address, but PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME!!!!! i have receved entirely too much mail from random people, i don't have time to read any of it, and i really don't want to receive it any more. thanx --lindsayTop Permalink
aaron i was planning on going to this show but that message scared me off. i hope you are right about the amount of tix left. hopefully some are left, see ya at the show!! sandyTop Permalink
Topic No. 15 Hey all, I was cruising the WWW and I stumbled across a thing called the Ultimate Band List. Anyone heard of it? Anyway, I decided to look up DAMABA and the listing was pretty incomplete--only gave the net address. I'd update it with pertinent info if nobody cares. The reason I'm asking is that they have entries for a WWW site, FAQ, lyrics, tablature, digitized music, etc., and I didn't want to list people's names as sources if they didn't want it broadcast all over the frigging cyberworld. (I just put netscape (quicker than Mosaic) on my PC and boy am I wasting time surfing) Anyway, does anybody care, anybody listening (Rick, Ben(s))?? Continually amazed by this WWW stuff... Brian All that would need to be done is write an HTML document with the URL's of= Is a little better. I'll check it out... Hey Ben I couldn't get your address to from the WWW pages. I added tiny 5K= By now somebody probably replied to the original post but I don't have time= hey I added Emily's (conjuraem@urvax.urich.edu) graphics ftp link too. Now I'm going. Charlie Hill (Chas) USAF Wright Laboratory, Materials Directorate "Top Permalink
sorry about that last post, it was meant for aaron no flames, pleaseTop Permalink
hey all! i very new to this whole newsgroup thing and i'm a huge dmb fan. so i have a couple of quick questions and then an offer for those interested... first of all - will someone please - who has the time - expain to me what and how this *treeing* thing works. next - in terms of copying bootlegs - i saw someone post *NO HIGH SPEED DUBBING* - so my question is, does high speed dubbing seriously decrease the quality of the copy??? finally - an offer to those who love SAY GOODBYE... a friend of mine put together a *progression of SAY GOODBYE* - it is all excellent quality (sound board digital onto DAT) - 13 versions from 12/8/93 up through 9/30/94. so if your interested i'd like to share it with you!!! send a 90 minute tape - type II Chad Kraus 145 West 79th street Apt. # 12-C New York, NY 10024 a self addressed stamped envelope 2 or 3 bucks CASH to cover a padded evelope a postage cost. if your sending me the money don't forget to include your address on a piece of paper so i know where to send it!!!! that's it!!!! hang loose, chad ChadDK@aol.com could i have been anyone other than me...Top Permalink
Hi there! I've been lurking for a while, but figured there was no time like the present to bust out and wish everyone Happy Holidays! I am hoping someone will join me in the holiday spirit and give me a little help...Who the heck sang these songs and which songs are they from?? Thanks a million for the bandwidth and, in advance, for all your help... P.S. Hi Gordon ;) -- **********************************mccusker@k12.ucs.umass.edu***** Far away, there in the sunshine, are my highest aspirations. I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty, believe in them and follow where they lead. -Louisa May AlcottTop Permalink
This may be a stupid question, but what is the site for ftp files (sounds, pictures, etc.)? I know I've seen it posted, but I discarded all old postings. Thanks, Steve sreili31@maine.maine.eduTop Permalink
someone asked if highspeed dubbing seriously decreases sound quality and i thought that there are probably lots of people with more technical insight onto tape quality thatn i have ..but i understand it all in laymans terms and i feel comfy sharing my knowledge and im open to correction too THE LONG HAUL .. like a few generations down the tapes is moving faster and for that reason blank (empty noiseless) tinsy spaces are left .. the recordingisnt quite a complete .. sortof like what it looks like when you run a piecce of chalk flatwise over a chalkboard .. filled in..but fuzzy .. follow? YOURS THAT YOU USED it .. and whether youused dolby a, b, or c (these caps are not yelling-- just emphasis) dolby sortof laps off the upper hinge of the sound spectrun when youi are recording .. preventing hiss .. but anything recorded in dolby must also be played back in dolby to experience the benefits (? thats subjective i guess) play back in dolby expands the sound specctrum so that you still have a full sound umm math like recored dolby - sound, play dolby + that same amount of sound = full sound less hiss .. well sortof ANYWAYS lots of people dont like dolby at all so be careful with it and dual cassette decks .. it doesnt make a difference what you do because they are programmed to make an exact recording of the master .. minus the typical generational wear no matter what .. make sure you have clean heads (tape heads not your heads ) and keep your deck up ... demagnatitze regulary and such th e whole point is to presserve sound quality for everyone okey dokey .. well i hope my laymans knowledege isnt too confusing or erroneous and that it sortof gave you some insight as to whats going on here hmmm i think its time to frolic ..and play and smile cathyTop Permalink
Tickets go on sale tomorrow (Saturday, Dec 3) morning for... THE DAVE MATTHEWS BAND _*with*_ THE RICHMOND SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA Tuesday, February 14, 1994 .. Valentine's Day... in Richmond, VA Toll-free ticket number is 1-800-594-TIXX to charge by mastercard. Ellis of Lemuria -- Ellis ("of Lemuria") Godard * * POB 3240, Charlottesville,VA 22903 jeg5s@virginia.edu jeg5s@faraday.clas.virginia.eduTop Permalink
This may be a stupid question, but what is the site for ftp files (sounds, pictures, etc.)? I know I've seen it posted, but I discarded all old postings. Enjoy! -BenTop Permalink
This message pertains to the people I have contacted that ansewered my question You can send your tapes out any time now.... Be sure to include postage and your address and return postage. Put your address on a separate piece of paper with your E-mail address also include your home address if you are leaving school and what day you are leaving school. BTW Dominic Sagolla... I already recieved your tapes but no postage or return address. Please send me the postage and your address. I belive I sent all of you my snail address but if you deleted it email me and I'll send it back out to you. ================================================================================ * And when the sun it turns to snow * In the Wilkes Barre, Pa Area? * * And the grass doesn't grow * Surrender to the Phlow!!! * * Don't laugh i love you -Deen & Gene Ween * Every Sat nite 10-2 88.5 WRKC * =============================================================================== %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%Top Permalink
Tonight, the DMB played their very first ever show in California at the Palookaville in Santa Cruz (the one that cost $5). And it rocked! First of all, no one seemed to really know who they had come to see (probably as a result of the 5 bux tickets). Secondly, the place definitely qualified more as a club than a "venue". The show was great!! I thought it was so cool how so few people knew about them before last night, but so many seemed to be instantly converted after hearing their first few songs. Boyd, not surprisingly, was absolutely on fire. And I could really enjoy him, too, being only two rows back with *plenty* of space to groove. I just can't say enough about how cool the crowd was. I kept overhearing people say that they had never heard about them before yesterday, and that they had to go to the back and get cd's or whatever. Everyone was really respectful and everytime I turned around I saw about 200 smiles looking back at me. Dave was really excited that they were received so warmly. "Everything" opened for them, and they were amazing, too. I'd have to say that we gave the warmest welcome to the West Coast possible. East Coast people should be proud. Peace, MattTop Permalink
Dear Blue Screen Show folks, I'm undoubtedly being super-anal here, but you might want to consider leaving the stuff that's taken from released CD's off of your tapes that you're treeing. By taping it and widely distributing it, you might be indirectly hurting the bands in question. (I'm not too worried about the Dead's financial situation; I'm more concerned about GSW.) Just a little ethical dilemna to consider. The tapes sound like they'd be killer even without China-Rider or Nightengale. Thanks, Mr. Anti-copyright infingement. i disagree. the whole point of treeing the blue screen is to spread this music, and all of these bands are interested in spreading there music. in all honesty, i think the only member of this entorage of musicians who gives a flying f**k about his financial situation is dave matthews, and he obviously doesn't care enough to put a cap on what music goes where. if these bands don't care if we march into their shows with a tape deck and start spreading their music around, why should they care what becomes of their studio recordings? they didn't lose money on putting it out, and they make most of their money off of their live performances. at the same time, the music found on the blue screen tapes will give willing people the opportunity to hear these bands music in it's studio form and decide whether or not they want to get more, and also hear the music in conjunction with other bands of the genre. on that note, i think the blue screen is a great concept. and after two years of slowly molding my radio show into what i want it to be, i've finally found it. next semester i'll be running a specialty show on a campus radio station, called the icebox menagerie, that will be based on a similar concept. the difference in my show, though, will be that i will be exploring the range of this genre more, trying to introduce my campus to a wider range of music that's on its way to being known as 'granola' music. whatever that means. i'll probably list my songs as well, so that you can see these names regularly, and hopefully i'll be able to build up some sort of public response here on what is good and what is bad and pass that info on to you (so all you folks here at jmu be sure to tune in to 88.7fm, wxjm next wednesday night at 8pm so how does this net help? help me find the bands that need exposure. i want to get as much new music into our rotation bins as possible, so if you are in any way related to minor labels or a blossoming band, get in touch with me. as far as stuff that goes in our rotation bin, it must be on cd or 7" vinyl, i'll take tapes, too, and use them myself only on my show. we already have the wiggly compilation and aware II (both of which i ______HIGHLY______ recommend) and i'm looking for more. thanx, y'all... ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
99.1 WHFS, Baltimore/DC DMB radio sighting....!!! Jimmything on the radio! Just thought I would waste some bandwidth with this. Tnx... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- so. whfs is the closest thing radio has to mtv. if they really care they should have been playing seek up since sep 93. kudos to them for choosing jimithing over satellite or ants, though. ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
sooner or later, I knew this would happen.... god...don't you hate when that happens... just hit N when asked if you'd like to include original message in reply... SAY NO!!!Top Permalink
Sorry to waste space with a non-DMB question. Does anyone know where Rusted Root is playing in Syracuse in mid-December and the definite date. I think it's the 14th, but I'm not sure. Thanks "Shut up I'm thinking I had a clue now it's gone forever." --Dave MatthewsTop Permalink
i've received the info i needed on TREES and HIGH SPEED DUBBING. so no need for anyone else to email me - thanks again! chadTop Permalink
hello. i hate to waste bandwith, but i need help unsubscribing the digest. i have tried several times, but can't get it to work. i would appreciate any and all help i can get. thank you. --greg grrolnick@vassar.eduTop Permalink
Dear Blue Screen Show folks, I'm undoubtedly being super-anal here, but you might want to consider leaving the stuff that's taken from released CD's off of your tapes that you're treeing. By taping it and widely distributing it, you might be indirectly hurting the bands in question. (I'm not too worried about the Dead's financial situation; I'm more concerned about GSW.) Just a little ethical dilemna to consider. The tapes sound like they'd be killer even without China-Rider or Nightengale. Thanks, Mr. Anti-copyright infingement. i disagree. the whole point of treeing the blue screen is to spread this music, and all of these bands are interested in spreading there music. You're absolutely right Rick. However, and let's take GSW as an example, they are not the ones in complete control of HOW there music is distributed. The whole point of signing with a major label is to take advantage of their VAST distribution channel. It's sort of amazing, suddenly get their own little card in thousands of record stores around the country, and the world actually. in all honesty, i think the only member of this entorage of musicians who gives a flying f**k about his financial situation is dave matthews, and he obviously doesn't care enough to put a cap on what music goes where. You know something, it doesn't really MATTER anymore whether Dave cares about his financial situation or not. I can assure you that RCA does care very much about their financial situation, and although I would think that treeing Brian's show will not affect sales negatively of any of the bands he plays, it doesn't matter what I think either. It'd be against the law. ---- on that note, i think the blue screen is a great concept. Me too. Too bad I won't be able to hear Brian's show. And your show too, Rick. rick thompson -Ben ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------Top Permalink
And another little something from a perspective who I had last year who now goes to Sewanee...... The Night Before Finals Twas the night before finals, And all through the college, The students were praying For last minute knowledge. Most were quite sleepy, But none touched their beds, While visions of essays danced in their heads. Out in the taverns, A few were still drinking, And hoping that liquor would loosen up their thinking. In my own apartment, I had been pacing, And dreading exams I soon would be facing. My roommate was speechless, His nose in his books, And my comments to him Drew unfriendly looks. I drained all the coffee, And brewed a new pot, No longer caring That my nerves were shot. I stared at my notes, But my thoughts were muddy, My eyes went ablur, I just couldn't study. "Some pizza might help," I said with a shiver, But each place I called Refused to deliver. I'd nearly concluded That life was too cruel, With futures depending On grades had in school. When all of a sudden, Our door opened wide, And Patron Saint Put It Off Ambled inside. His spirit was careless, His manner was mellow, "What kind of student Would make such a fuss, To toss back at teachers What they tossed at us?" "On Cliff Notes! On Crib Notes! On Last Year's Exams! On Wingit and Slingit, And Last Minute Crams!" His message delivered, He vanished from sight, But we heard him laughing Outside in the night. "Your teachers have pegged you, So just do your best. Happy Finals to All, And to All, a good test." Good Luck to everyone! And Merry Christmas! KIM :) --- End of forwarded message from Nicholas Edward Gonzalez speedy@leland.Stanford.EDU ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and stick together." --Robert Fulghum "Lost in the arms of morpheous -- that somnambulistic state of glorious oblivion......" --my daddy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jennie Akins SPO 1117 735 University Avenue Sewanee, TN 37383-1000 akinscj0@seraph1.sewanee.eduTop Permalink
99.1 WHFS, Baltimore/DC DMB radio sighting....!!! Jimmything on the radio! Just thought I would waste some bandwidth with this. Tnx... so. whfs is the closest thing radio has to mtv. if they really care they should have been playing seek up since sep 93. kudos to them for choosing jimithing over satellite or ants, though. What is the problem with Satellite and Ants Marching? I know they're played more often than others, and if a radio station plays DMB they're more likely to play those two than others, but I'm wondering, do you like the songs? do you appreciate that they've been written, and written by a great song-writer, no less? It's funny, 'cause it seems like lots of people in on bands like DMB or any band in the HORDE scene are kind of schizophrenic. On the one hand, they want the bands to themselves, but on the other hand they want the band to be recognized by everyone, something they can't do if they want the band to themselves. I love being in on a band like DMB in the early years. It's exciting and satisfying. But they're good. Some day they're going to be all over the radio. And soon, radio stations are going to play songs that we were all in on in the early years, and we'll all be able to say "Gee, you know, they only play these two songs, I wish they would play some of the old stuff that in a very real way we help build." *I* like the songs. I know this is a matter of opinion, and you're more than welcome to yours. But why does everyone assume that all DMB listeners think these two songs should not be played? Confused, somewhat, MattTop Permalink
Dear Blue Screen Show folks, I'm undoubtedly being super-anal here, but you might want to consider leaving the stuff that's taken from released CD's off of your tapes that you're treeing. By taping it and widely distributing it, you might be indirectly hurting the bands in question. (I'm not too worried about the Dead's financial situation; I'm more concerned about GSW.) Just a little ethical dilemna to consider. The tapes sound like they'd be killer even without China-Rider or Nightengale. Thanks, Mr. Anti-copyright infingement. i disagree. the whole point of treeing the blue screen is to spread this music, and all of these bands are interested in spreading there music. in all honesty, i think the only member of this entorage of musicians who gives a flying f**k about his financial situation is dave matthews, and he obviously doesn't care enough to put a cap on what music goes where. Rick- what does this mean? I'm a little confused. No one else care about $? Maybe less than most entertainers, perhaps, but they probably care just a little bit. if these bands don't care if we march into their shows with a tape deck and start spreading their music around, why should they care what becomes of their studio recordings? they didn't lose money on putting it out, and they make most of their money off of their live performances. I sort of agree, with many hesitations. First of all, I think the original post was more in concern for the Blue screen folks than the artists- just making sure they don't get into trouble. However- anyone can play anything on the radio (most programs generally play nothing BUT studio releases- remember) and anyone can tape it. Treeing it, however, might constitute some sort of use without permission. The Dead's policy on taping has paid off for them simply because of sound quality- they made a ton releasing a show on CD that almost everyone had a copy of on tape already (8-13-75, One From the Vault) because their fans are fanatic about sound quality. Now- what if some group decided to get one guy to buy a copy of the disk and then tree it for everyone, DAT or with hi- q analog equipment to minimize loss of signal? The band might not be too pleased. This is an exaggeration of the Blue Screen situation, of course. All I'm saying is be careful. at the same time, the music found on the blue screen tapes will give willing people the opportunity to hear these bands music in it's studio form and decide whether or not they want to get more, and also hear the music in conjunction with other bands of the genre. on that note, i think the blue screen is a great concept. and after two years of slowly molding my radio show into what i want it to be, i've finally found it. next semester i'll be running a specialty show on a campus radio station, called the icebox menagerie, that will be based on a similar concept. the difference in my show, though, will be that i will be exploring the range of this genre more, trying to introduce my campus to a wider range of music that's on its way to being known as 'granola' music. whatever that means. i'll probably list my songs as well, so that you can see these names regularly, and hopefully i'll be able to build up some sort of public response here on what is good and what is bad and pass that info on to you (so all you folks here at jmu be sure to tune in to 88.7fm, wxjm next wednesday night at 8pm so how does this net help? help me find the bands that need exposure. i want to get as much new music into our rotation bins as possible, so if you are in any way related to minor labels or a blossoming band, get in touch with me. as far as stuff that goes in our rotation bin, it must be on cd or 7" vinyl, i'll take tapes, too, and use them myself only on my show. we already have the wiggly compilation and aware II (both of which i ______HIGHLY______ recommend) and i'm looking for more. I'm still plugging Blue Miracle. Anyone at MAryland have any tapes? Does anyone even tape them? I've never seen a deck at the board. thanx, y'all... ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ to possess...plain common sense." \ dave matthews band --immanuel kant \ lyrics extraordinaire __________________________________ \_________________________________ \ rick thompson \ stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu \____________________________________Top Permalink
I am new at this whole thing but I can tell it is going to be one hell of a journey. I am looking for some people who are willing to do some trading. I don't have very much now but I do have some stuff. I only have the DMB and Rusted Root to offer, but it's a start. Please send me a line or to if you would like a list of what I have, I will be more than happy to make copies for you. I also heard a rumor that the DMB was going to make an appearence somewhere in NY before NYE; is this true?Top Permalink
RR is playing Hungry Charlies on the 11th. Dunno how many tix are left-there were only 40 or so when I got there for mine. klong (who's hoping SU student gov't gets Dave up there like they want)Top Permalink
Boofy - to tell the rest of us how you got those pictures on screen? I'm sure I have the capabilities on this computer (a school computer) and am dying to check that stuff out. With a little direction I think I'll be ok.Top Permalink
hey all dave fans going to the show does anyone want to trade tapes before the show, of dave shows or anything else good that you have that others may enjoy (phish, WSP, FJB, RR, allgood, everything...) write me back personally or to the net if this sounds cool. tickets are going fast so get them now before ticketbastard decides to have some more random fees. thanks later, sandy saf1@acpub.duke.eduTop Permalink
Hey all, 10/26/93. If someone could send me the complete & correct setlist, it would be much appreciated. other artists featuring members of DAMABA. Like Shannon Worrell's 'Three wishes', Allgood's 'Kickin & Screamin', etc. Send me any that you know of. ouch, another red eye review session ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------Top Permalink
hello world, on UTTAD. I'm not sure if this has been debated before my month and a half amongst such good friends, but I know some people out there wonder why the hell Dave put Ants on the disc. Rick made a point about Satellite being a newly sublime version which Dave obviously wanted to share with his audience, but we can all see and hear that Ants as recorded on the cd is rather dangerously Table and Dreaming, which is a lyric from Ants, therefore, the song is on the album. But then Why is it such a lame version? Has anyone noticed the absence of the familiar "Dueling Banjos" riff between Boyd and Leroi? It's not there and the voids are filled with several different fills that don't have the same effect as what we were all used to hearing. Now, why didn't they use the riff? Maybe in the big world of major label-land, copyrights prohibited the use of that particular riff. thusly, ants is heard without the duel and we have the result which is akin to mooshy pasta sticking to the roof of my mouth. What does everyone think? If I'm completely off base, let me know. ps let's all send Cha some positive mental energy to help him with all that dubbing he's so generously doing with his DAVEMALTATIONS tape! Thanks from us all, man!Top Permalink
Hello, wrote your address down wrong and deleted your message. trying to send you my boot list. please get back to me. Dan life's to short for capitals, sorry bout the lack.Top Permalink
Hello, let me introduce myself, I am greg pepper down here at emory. I hail from new york and did not have grits untill I got here. Another thing that I failed to be aware about the south was DMB. I've been listening to them down here and I love them! Here is the catch, I would love to get some tapes of shows only I have nothing to offer. I have a decent portion of my dead and phish collection with a couple of live suprizes to offer. If anybody could help me get started with a DMB collection it would be much appreciated. Thanks for reading this. I know it gets annoying reading all the entries. If you can help me out e-mail me at gpepper@emory.edu "IF you are not busy being born, you might as wel be dying!"Top Permalink
This is probably the rumor of all possible rumors looking at the DMB scheduled concert dates, but has anyone else heard that they'll be playing in CT during January '95? Like I said, sounds doubtful. Anyone?Top Permalink
Sorry about that last post y'all. I meant to send it to someone else but I must have clicked on the wrong e-mail address. Didn't mean to offend..... Jen ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and stick together." --Robert Fulghum "Lost in the arms of morpheous -- that somnambulistic state of glorious oblivion......" --my daddy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jennie Akins SPO 1117 735 University Avenue Sewanee, TN 37383-1000 akinscj0@seraph1.sewanee.eduTop Permalink
Table and Dreaming, which is a lyric from Ants, therefore, the song is on the album. But then Why is it such a lame version? Has anyone noticed the absence Well, I think they definitely could've done some more studio work with it, but hey.. Anyway, I wanted to post to say that they really didn't NEED to put ants on the album, title withstanding.. Counting Crows cut 'August and Everything After' (what would've been the "title track") from their cd because they weren't happy with the way it sounded.. And I doubt either daveband or even RCA would freak if there was a title referring to music only found on a previous album.. Anwyay, I think the album as a whole is phenomenol, and beautiful to the ears and mind. I was reading that beast I wrote about a year ago in the minarets history, vol 3 (I think) recently posted, and sometimes I wonder where my mind wanders when posting.. that thing even confused me. bbrreet kingswellTop Permalink
I guess I'm the only one on the net who thinks that the deuling banjos part of Ants has become unoriginal and stale after a few years, and who thought the UTTAD Ants was the best ants (Not counting cool intros) ever. =) John ------------------------------------------------------------------------------| |John Viega "Time is the school in which we learn, | |rust@virginia.edu Time is the fire in which we burn." | |University of Virginia --Delmore Schwartz | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------Top Permalink
The Blue Sceen tree is a great idea, and there is nothing wrong with it. There are no laws restricting it either. The only thing the law states is that it's against the law to make a profit off the band without their permission. Nobody's making a profit off the band. (Unless there is something I don't know about?). All we are doing is sharing our music with others. *Sharing*. Just wanted to put my two cents in. Geebs.Top Permalink
---------- Forwarded message ---------- 99.1 WHFS, Baltimore/DC DMB radio sighting....!!! Jimmything on the radio! Just thought I would waste some bandwidth with this. Tnx... so. whfs is the closest thing radio has to mtv. if they really care they should have been playing seek up since sep 93. kudos to them for choosing jimithing over satellite or ants, though. What is the problem with Satellite and Ants Marching? I know they're played more often than others, and if a radio station plays DMB they're more likely to play those two than others, but I'm wondering, do you like the songs? do you appreciate that they've been written, and written by a great song-writer, no less? It's funny, 'cause it seems like lots of people in on bands like DMB or any band in the HORDE scene are kind of schizophrenic. On the one hand, they want the bands to themselves, but on the other hand they want the band to be recognized by everyone, something they can't do if they want the band to themselves. I love being in on a band like DMB in the early years. It's exciting and satisfying. But they're good. Some day they're going to be all over the radio. And soon, radio stations are going to play songs that we were all in on in the early years, and we'll all be able to say "Gee, you know, they only play these two songs, I wish they would play some of the old stuff that in a very real way we help build." *I* like the songs. I know this is a matter of opinion, and you're more than welcome to yours. But why does everyone assume that all DMB listeners think these two songs should not be played? Confused, somewhat, Matt In Minneapolis the radio stations have been playing DMB since the album came out. Songs like, "What Would You Say", "Jimi Thing", "Satellite", and "The Best of What's Around". And on 97.1 (you're all thinking, "what the f**k is 97.1"), they played the whole album, "UTTAD". *Go Dave!*Top Permalink
posts concerning this, except for one thing. So, that is where I'm coming crap. Now, I believe it's close, but not quite actual crap. I listened to it about twenty times today, and I understand the crap argument -- but ONLY if you have seen/heard dave's live shit, or are famaliar with the R2T version, which I have/am. The people who really love uttad-ants, _probably_ have only heard this version. Now there are people who confuse me (pak) because they don't adhere to this thoery, but what can you say. I am probably way off base, but I understand why new dmb fans like the new version of ants. I cannot understand, however, andone who had heard r2t, that likes the uttad ver. better -- that will probably never make sense to me. Of course, this theory is Table and Dreaming, which is a lyric from Ants, therefore, the song is on the album. But then Why is it such a lame version? some merit in this version -- like the fact that it has a lot of violin at the end -- or some other arbitrary reason for this song to draw new fans to listen to it. The only reason I bring this up, is because over thanksgiving, pak and I had 35 semi-drunk family members dancing to ants, and they all loved it, and they all mentioned the violin, and not a single one of them had ever heard it before. One argument for that, is that none of them have any taste whatsoever, but ants was not anyone's favourite song -- that shows a little taste. So this got me thinking -- what is their problem? -- Sooo... I listened to the song twenty times. Everybody, go do that now. Back? Did you notice, right before you almost threw up, that there _is_ *something* catchy about it? My problem is that I don't know what it is. Now, I've talked to 3 of my relatives since then, and I tell them all to go get r2t, first. If my theory holds true, they should lose their fucking minds upon hearing the older version of ants. We did conclude, after all, they they do have some taste. So what was the point, you ask? ummm, oh yea-- uttad ants sucks -- but not quite as bad as we think. To me, it is the absence of the duelling banjos rift that _really_ makes it less enjoyable. But if you weren't aware there ever was a duelling banjos rift, then...... hell, if you weren't aware that there was a previous version abts, THEN......... look-- someone posted earlier about how taping with high-speed dubbing was like rubbing chalk, flat side down, on a thing. This is sort-of the same way -- there is something missing for sure -- almost like the whole song isn't even there. But, if you don't know what real chalk looks like, then what the fuck are you gonna say about it? I mean, if people dig it then, cool, whatever. Just sit and listen to satellite over and over and over again, really really really loud. Rick has one hell of a point about the background sounds.Top Permalink
---------- Forwarded message ---------- hello world, on UTTAD. I'm not sure if this has been debated before my month and a half amongst such good friends, but I know some people out there wonder why the hell Dave put Ants on the disc. Rick made a point about Satellite being a newly sublime version which Dave obviously wanted to share with his audience, but we can all see and hear that Ants as recorded on the cd is rather dangerously Table and Dreaming, which is a lyric from Ants, therefore, the song is on the album. But then Why is it such a lame version? Has anyone noticed the absence of the familiar "Dueling Banjos" riff between Boyd and Leroi? It's not there and the voids are filled with several different fills that don't have the same effect as what we were all used to hearing. Now, why didn't they use the riff? Maybe in the big world of major label-land, copyrights prohibited the use of that particular riff. thusly, ants is heard without the duel and we have the result which is akin to mooshy pasta sticking to the roof of my mouth. What does everyone think? If I'm completely off base, let me know. ps let's all send Cha some positive mental energy to help him with all that dubbing he's so generously doing with his DAVEMALTATIONS tape! Thanks from us all, man! I don't think that the studio version of "Ants" sucks, and I don't think that the "dualing banjo thing" makes the song, but I do agree that it doesn't compare to the power of the live version. Here's what I think about the different version. The record label definitly had something to do with it. Dave and the band know that "Ants" is a "live" song, and if it was their choice, I don't believe they would have put a version of it on their studio album. The record label most likely strongly made them put it on because that was the big song off their "Remember Two Things" album and the label knew that "Ants" would boost the sales of "UTT&D" way up. This whole "have to listen to what the record label says" thing is the reason why The Samples started their own record label, "WAR?". The good thing about it is, the people that are just hearing DMB for their first time are saying to themselves, "This song must be killer live!" So they check out a Dave show. So to all the listeners that are new to DMB, "Ants" is killer live. But until you can see them live, stick with the album version, because it's great too. Geebs.Top Permalink
---------- Forwarded message ---------- hello world, I just have a few thoughts about the presence of and quality of "Ants" on UTTAD. I'm not sure if this has been debated before my month and a half amongst such good friends, but I know some people out there wonder why the hell Dave put Ants on the disc. Rick made a point about Satellite being a newly sublime version which Dave obviously wanted to share with his audience, but we can all see and hear that Ants as recorded on the cd is rather dangerously Under The Table and Dreaming, which is a lyric from Ants, therefore, the song is on the album. But then Why is it such a lame version? Has anyone noticed the absence of the familiar "Dueling Banjos" riff between Boyd and Leroi? It's not there and the voids are filled with several different fills that don't have the same effect as what we were all used to hearing. Now, why didn't they use the riff? Maybe in the big world of major label-land, copyrights prohibited the use of that particular riff. thusly, ants is heard without the duel and we have the result which is akin to mooshy pasta sticking to the roof of my mouth. What does everyone think? If I'm completely off base, let me know. don't forget to wash well between your toes! jeff ps let's all send Cha some positive mental energy to help him with all that dubbing he's so generously doing with his DAVEMALTATIONS tape! Thanks from us all, man! Sorry to bother all, but I forgot to include something in my last statement. They did not put "Ants" on the album because the title of the album comes from that song. They could have easily taken the song "Ants" off the album, and called the album, "Satellite", or "Typical Situation". I think they decided to put the song "Ants" on the album before they decided on "Under The Table And Dreaming" for the title of the album. Bye. GeebsTop Permalink
The Blue Sceen tree is a great idea, and there is nothing wrong with it. There are no laws restricting it either. The only thing the law states is that it's against the law to make a profit off the band without their permission. Nobody's making a profit off the band. (Unless there is something I don't know about?). ... ahh if i uderstand the language here .. im sorry but you are mistaken (inmany instances at least) written right here on the bottom of the rusted root's "when i woke" "manufactured and marketed by ... allrights reserved . unauthorized copying , reproduction, hiring, lending, and public performance and braodcasting prohibited." and to make sure this isnt a single incident of extra explicit copyright laws peter gabriel's SO -- "... unauthorized duplication is a violation of applicapble laws" and how about this applicable laws" just look and your cds folks ... thats what it says , maybe im misinterpereting but i get the clear feeling than YOU ARENT SUPPOSED TO COPY THE FREAKING CDS without proper authorization now if thats the law ... yall feel free to judge whats a worthwhile gamble with you and uncle sam just cluein' in and trying to help not criticize catherineTop Permalink
Hey my friends, I haven't seen any posts regarding the World Cafe segment which ran today on WXPN public radio. I am in Philadelphia, where the show was recorded (probably in early October when DMB played on South Street) so perhaps I got to hear it before you. Don't worry, I'm sure it will be playing on a station near you in the near future . . . beginning. Dave, Boyd and Carter speak. Nothing earth shattering was What Would You Say (surprise, surprise : Dave suggests starting out with this one, "We've only played it 800 times"), sweet Pay for What You Get, Ants MArching, Cry Freedom (!!!). The Cry Freedom at the end was very suprising in a good way for me. The radio guy made sure to comment on how that song isn't on any album (yet) Between songs, there is some great Dave-speak. Great stuff. RRrrrrr-rrrrr-urg!! Stefan was difficult to hear. It sounded as if Carter was just keeping the beat on one snare and a tom, or at least something pretty minimal. Boyd sounded real good. Leroi (my fav) sounded sorta hungover. Probably too early in the morning for him. I was someone who was thouroughly experienced with the R2T Ants and many versions of live Ants before hearing the UTTAD Ants. And I have to say that I like the UTTAD Ants. A lot. I find the groove Stefan lays down much more satisfying that the one on R2T. Of course, who wouldn't rather be seeing Ants in concert? That goes without saying. In fact, unlike many others it seems, Ants was not what got me into DMB. I used to skip to track 6 everytime I played R2T for a long time. Ants actually annoyed me. Especially on R2T, which is a weak version. I couldn't understand the long intro. Just my opinions . . . BenTop Permalink
The Blue Sceen tree is a great idea, and there is nothing wrong with it. There are no laws restricting it either. The only thing the law states is that it's against the law to make a profit off the band without their permission. Nobody's making a profit off the band. (Unless there is something I don't know about?). ... ahh if i uderstand the language here .. im sorry but you are mistaken (inmany instances at least) written right here on the bottom of the rusted root's "when i woke" "manufactured and marketed by ... allrights reserved . unauthorized copying , reproduction, hiring, lending, and public performance and braodcasting prohibited." and to make sure this isnt a single incident of extra explicit copyright laws peter gabriel's SO -- "... unauthorized duplication is a violation of applicapble laws" and how about this applicable laws" just look and your cds folks ... thats what it says , maybe im misinterpereting but i get the clear feeling than YOU ARENT SUPPOSED TO COPY THE FREAKING CDS without proper authorization now if thats the law ... yall feel free to judge whats a worthwhile gamble with you and uncle sam just cluein' in and trying to help not criticize catherine Sorry. I forgot about the songs that were from CD's. Your right that is illegal. But I also don't think the "Copyright Police" are going to come to your home and arrest you. I guess it's moral judgement. GeebsTop Permalink
can all see and hear that Ants as recorded on the cd is rather dangerously The Table and Dreaming, which is a lyric from Ants, therefore, the song is on the album. But then Why is it such a lame version? Has anyone noticed the absence Er, I don't really see that as a pressing concern on Dave's mind. In my mind, the song is on the CD because of the green things with numbers on them. song causes an uproar from frathouse drunks (hee hee i'm waiting for the flames). Of course, the CD version of the song especially, absolutely sucks. If someone likes the song, that is up to them, but I think just about ALL of us would agree that something happened on the way to the record store... Generally I think the entire album lacks the same emotion that live shows and even R2T has, but Ants especially just sounds so fucking WEIRD. The entire sound is muddled, the lack of any intro sucks, and that half-chorus makes me sick. IMHO, if the CD version of the song was as catchy as it can be, it would be the first single, and it would be the single that made DMB a household name. Yowza. Love & flames directed directly to me. Ben... just another memo from the cellar, ************************************************************************Top Permalink
here's the deal : i have an absolutely killer 1st generation tape of the IRVING PLAZA, NYC show from 7/28/94. the tape i got was recorded off a sound board digitally onto a DAT. the quality is excellent and the show is awesome! so email me only if you have some very good quality shows and you'd like to trade! bye for now, chad chaddk@aol.com p.s. i'm listening to DMB on world cafe right now. can someone tell me why the hell they opened with WHAT WOULD YOU SAY. i don't know about the rest of you or if this has been discussed before - but i think it has to be their cheesiest song by far!!! well - now they are playing PAY FOR WHAT YOU GET... much better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hasta la pasta...Top Permalink
okay, i believe the UTTAD version of ants marching is brilliant...of course the R2T version is better, but because it is performed *live* and dmb excel in that department...i'm that guy keith mentioned in the last post and yes there were a about 35 drunk people grooving to UTTAD "Ants"...this is not because they were drunk...hell, i had my entire floor in the place i live come over to my suite to hear UTTAD for the first time and they weren't drunk...they just love good music, and it so happens that dmb is *good* music...'k?...i am sure that many out there agree with me...to change the subject, thank you for those turning in dmb encounter stories to me (dominic, wheeee!)...my address is jnichol1@ua1vm.ua.edu and for those who don't know about it, i would like to receive stories (preferably true ones, okay?) of encounters you had with any dmb members...i don't care how long it is, or how farfetched it is...thank you for your time... "if you can't take a joke, then FUCK YOU..."Top Permalink
i think we should all take a hint from guitar diva ani difranco regarding "unathorized duplication, while sometimes necessary, is never as good as the real thing." they know it goes on. and no one's gonna get killed. so tape all you want. they'll make more. or something like that. a newer subscriber, carly cjacobs@smith.smith.eduTop Permalink
Hello all make a profit. That's with bagby's. ASCAP and BMI make it there busness to make sure copyright infringement doesn't happen (look on the albums you'll see them in the copyrights). I know of a store in the DC area that has a court case with ASCAP right now where the owner was fined because he plays CD's in his store. He isn't a music store and is makeing no profit but he is broadcasting it in a public format. When a radio sation plays a song they pay ASCAP or BMI a certain amount of money hell places that own jukeboxes pay ASCAP and BMI for everytime a song is played. Copyright's are very touchy. But as with computer software people copy it all the time i don't think people are going to make a real big deal out of it and if they do Blue Screen will be the one's in trouble (not to throw the blame of blue screen just to straighten it out). For The bands though. The GSW song is of Bag this is a self produced album and the money goes to the band. One song off the album i don't think is going to be a problem but i know my freinds who's band is finnally releaseing their first CD on Grass Records refused to copy the album for freind's because if ou buy the album from a store the store will buy more albums and the band will make more money and do better. I'm not sure why i included all of this just felt like shareing what i've been told buy my freind in his dealings with the music world from the bands side (and haveing a label doesn't mean shit buy the way my freinds CD got bumped backk at the printing plant buy Maireh carry's christmas album and it's already a month over due it all comes down to money) cya all matt PS sorry but i got to throw this in. If you like Indie Rock look for My Life In Rain's CD sometime before May (my freind's band) a band even Ian McKaye likes (or so he told the woman who signed them to grass). they have a 7" out now on 50% records $3 if you want let me know. Sorry i had to say that I got an advance copy of the CD and it's cool and i want these guys to doo well they deserve it.Top Permalink
**Warning** ^^^^^^^^^^^ If you recieve a message with the subject, "Good Times", *do not* read it! Delete it right when you see it! "Good Times" is a virus that is going around that will down-load your whole system. Your system will crash! This will erase all messages and addresses you have saved within you e-mail system. If anybody has more info on this virus, please contact me. Sorry this had nothing to do DMB. Geebs. I----------I I Hi Bill! I I----------ITop Permalink
apologies to the people on minarets but this alias was already set up so i'm useing it. if this has been posted to the other nets sorry but thought it might be best to spread it far and wide matt From minarets@moose.uvm.edu Sat Dec 3 04:00:32 1994 **Warning** ^^^^^^^^^^^ If you recieve a message with the subject, "Good Times", *do not* read it! Delete it right when you see it! "Good Times" is a virus that is going around that will down-load your whole system. Your system will crash! This will erase all messages and addresses you have saved within you e-mail system. If anybody has more info on this virus, please contact me. Sorry this had nothing to do DMB. Geebs. I----------I I Hi Bill! I I----------ITop Permalink
--Boundary (ID ssWI/wnUoLwHm/dSQn3BZg) --Boundary (ID ssWI/wnUoLwHm/dSQn3BZg) In my oh so very humble opinion Ants on UTTAD is a good "alternate" version of the Ants on R2T. When I first heard about the new album (UTTAD) I was disappointed that there were some repeats from the previous albums, but I think that the band approached the 4 previously recorded songs with sufficient originality thet they justified the re-recording of those songs (Sattelite, Ants, Nancies, Warehouse). While no studio version of any DAMABA song could ever compare to a live performance, Ants on UTTAD has good qualities which I would be happy to point out (when I'm sober). interpreted by me as illegal only "for profit". Otherwise I would shit my pants every time I copied a CD so I could listen to it on my car's tape deck. they were assholes before the frats they'll always be assholes. The frats just make it easier to recognize the particularly annoying assholes(they congregate more readily than the rest). Which hopefully I am not. And I hope all of you who were making such a big deal about labeling DAMABA fans (grannies, jimmies) aren't using such terms as "frat boys" Otherwise I might have to label you as a hypocrite, and then we'd both feel like dumbasses (one label that I use freely without regret) Not angry, just making a valid point, Doug --Boundary (ID ssWI/wnUoLwHm/dSQn3BZg)--Top Permalink
COUNTRY HORNS), and it was a GREAT show, especially for Phish. I guess I'm a little spoiled because I saw Dave headline last night in a club for $5, and tonight's set was pretty typical and very big comparitively. I walked in right at the end of the first song, just in time to hear the last few chords, and it sounded like #36, plus Ants followed. Also, I don't know DMB --- #36? Ants Marching Dancing Nancies Warehouse Satellite Jimi Thing Tripping Billies PHISH ----- SET I Poor Heart 2001 Sparkle We've got a ____ in the band It's Ice Lizards Col. Forbin's Ascent (maybe) Stash Squirming Coil SOLO BY PAGE! (continuation of Squirming Coil) SET II Can this wait 'til I'm old, Can I live while I'm young? David Bowie W/ GIANT COUNTRY HORNS LONG Jam (maybe 20 min, continuation of David Bowie?) Don't Take Another Step (Don't Blame It on Yourself) something off Junta (I couldn't remember the name) Sausage or maybe Gumbo? No Idea Suzy Greenberg ENCORE Cavern BTW, if anyone can correct me on song names, please do! Unfortunately, none of the DMB came out to jam with Phish (maybe tomorrow night!), but they played a really clean, power-packed set. Everyone there seemed quite unexpectedly impressed. Again, the band seemed to be in high spirits, especially Dave, but no Davespeak tonight. Phish really impressed me tonight, because I had kind of gotten sick of their silliness. At the end of the first set, kind of during Squirming Coil, if I remember correctly, everyone but Page left the stage and he performed the most beautiful piano solo I have ever heard (might have been 10 min. or longer). The audience was completely awed. Other than this and the power of the GCH, highlights for me were 2001, Lizards, Don't Take Another Step, and Cavern. Especially because of Page's solo, I feel obligated to share the copy of this show once I get it. I will trade it for extremely HIGH QUALITY (as it will be) DMB, WSP, Phish, ARU, Allgood, ABB, BluesT or GSW (in order of preference) to the first five people that respond. Please be honest about the quality of shows and make the subject of the message PAGE.Top Permalink
While getting geared up for DMB's trek up the east coast, I mistakenly ordered two tickets for the new years show in Richmond,but I really needed three. By the time I tried to correct my mistake,the show was sold out. My girlfriend is really gonna be pissed at me. Can anyone out there help me? Willing to negotiate on the price, Thanks, Alan HaleTop Permalink
Ok folks, here it is. acquired some pretty good stuff since I joined this net, and I would like to make some trades now. The first three people to respond to this ad with interesting trade offers can pick from some of my most recent. Sweetbriar College 2/25/94 I&II 2x90min Seek up Song that jane likes Satellite Lie in our graves dancing nancies no. 36 true reflections pay for what you get so much to say exodus jimmy thing what would you say recently minarets typical ants W&L Pavillion 2/6/93 1x90min satellite granny lie in our graves help myself the maker ants warehouse minarets blue water halloween so much to say twin reflections recently Richmond Marriott 12/31/93 I&IIcut 1x90min Satellite Song that Jane likes One sweet world tripping billies granny lie in our graves no 36 what would you say II ants dancing nancies minarets jimmy thing seek up (cut) Gerald Ford Amphitheater Vail CO 8/28/94 1x100min Intro one sweet world tripping billies two step satellite jimi thing say goodbye dancing nancies warehouse song that jane likes watchtower pay for what you get recently rhyme&reason ants Ok, there it . first three to respond w/ attractive trades can pick. Sorry about being exclusive, but I have finals to contend with next week.Top Permalink
12/2/94 UC Davis Rec Hall # 36 Ants Marching Dancing Nancies Warehouse Satellite Jimi Thing Tripping Billies A very nice first experience to Dave. I'm really impressed by how much better they seem to rock than on tape. More from San Jose, tonight!!! Geoff Balleisen "Five pounds,Top Permalink
KC\XkX[[\KZCXqMivZ[KKX id 01HK70NRI7Y890SL29@utkvx.utk.edu; Sat, 03 Dec 1994 04:56:19 -0500 (EST) --Boundary (ID ssWI/wnUoLwHm/dSQn3BZg) --Boundary (ID ssWI/wnUoLwHm/dSQn3BZg) id 01HK6ZNUZ5GW91Z58C@utkvx.utk.edu; Sat, 03 Dec 1994 04:56:18 -0500 (EST) In my oh so very humble opinion Ants on UTTAD is a good "alternate" version of the Ants on R2T. When I first heard about the new album (UTTAD) I was disappointed that there were some repeats from the previous albums, but I think that the band approached the 4 previously recorded songs with sufficient originality thet they justified the re-recording of those songs (Sattelite, Ants, Nancies, Warehouse). While no studio version of any DAMABA song could ever compare to a live performance, Ants on UTTAD has good qualities which I would be happy to point out (when I'm sober). And as far as this blue screen thing goes the copyright was always Z[c\K interpreted by me as illegal only "for profit". Otherwise I would shit my pants every time I copied a CD so I could listen to it on my car's tape deck. By the way I'm one of those drunk frat boys and all I have to say is if they were assholes before the frats they'll always be assholes. The frats just make it easier to recognize the particularly annoying assholes(they congregate more readily than the rest). Which hopefully I am not. And I hope all of you who were making such a big deal about labeling DAMABA fans (grannies, jimmies) aren't using such terms as "frat boys" Otherwise I might have to label you as a hypocrite, and then we'd both feel like dumbasses (one label that I use freely without regret) Not angry, just making a valid point, Doug --Boundary (ID ssWI/wnUoLwHm/dSQn3BZg)-- ******************************************************************************* ******************************************************************************* Gm[NhbTop Permalink
low low price of $97.50 yikes...am I the only one that had no idea that they would cost this much....I understand it is for a benefit....so I'll grin and bear it and enjoy my seats....they are row B in Loge... I live in richmond and have no idea what these are like...the lady said that they were good. We'll just have to see. So is this show gonna be like "lets all get dressed up and frolic with dave and the richmond symphony" I think it'll be fun and its worth the money....I HOPE! tootles to you all Hey Dude, give me a call things with the spontaneous one didn't pan out...:( bye bye em check out my new WWW pageTop Permalink
so, how many people are thinking of going to the carpenter center (as in the band's performance with richmond symphony)? i tried the bama rags line (1-800-594-tixx) and got an answering machine (with people screaming really funny things in the background of a women bastard route. i got shut out of nye, so i'm not going to miss out on this. the number there is (804) 671-8100. there's three price ranges due to the nature of the carpenter center (where the richmond symphony usually plays anyway. i hear this place is about on par with the fox in atlanta.) the best seats are $45, and when i bought mine an hour ago, i got third row, so tickets are selling slowly, but i'd say very steadily. the other two prices are $29.50 and $22.50. i don't know where this will put you, nor do i know how fast these cheaper tix are selling. my service charge was $3.25 (grrr.) and they popped in another "processing fee" of $1 just for placing the order. (double grrrr.) at any rate, the good seats are far from sold out at this point, but don't waste any time. i thought i'd have until at least mid-dec to get nye tix. ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
ants. red and black antennae waving. they all do it the same.....they all do it the same......waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy. do you think that as dave sings that these days, he's laughing at his audience, and feels that because he has such a teeny-bopper audience in certain ways that this song is more appropriate than ever? but aside from that, let me see if i can justify my humble opinions on why the uttad ants marching sux. but let me qualify that by saying that 1)i do like the song 2)r2t is worse. ok. where do we start. (hmmmmm.....where will i finish.....) when i posted that i somehow managed to find not only a redeeming value for uttad satelite but also found out that i _like_ it, it was the product of listening to uttad the night before in an effort to be as critical, but at the same time, as open minded as i could be about the album. i found great as fucking ever. but i decided these four songs held things that #34 turned out to be absolutely incredible. i've talked about #34 and satelite, so now i'll talk about ants and lover. the reason i find the ants on uttad so annoying is that it's so damn hallow. compare it to any live ants you have (on tape) and listen to the certain fills that leroi and boyd do, well beyond the tired dueline violin/sopranosax thingy. they just really filled up your ears with music that sounded right. they took it all out on uttad and so it sounds like an empty scaffold of the song, with part of the scaffold falling apart between the first and second verse where dave decided to add a new chorus. it's obvious that my argument is built upon knowing intimately what the song sounds like live, and having known this since early 1992. i simply like it better. but at the same time, i like uttad more than r2t because on r2t it's just simply weak. the whole song is there, but it sounds processed, reprocessed, and pretty much if i try to picture the song as an image in my head (something i'm fond of doing with anything) it looks very faded and, well, tired. but at the same time, every time i see the song live, i say something about how sick we all are of it, but i don't go and get a beer, or go to the bathroom. i stay right there with my deck or my friends or myself, dancing and singing to it like it's only the third time i've ever heard it. and then sometimes that song actually carries me away. if you ever have a chance to hear ants on 2-22-94, it will kick your ass. not only because carter rips the most intense drum jam which brings in boyd and leroi, but because dave was feeling so good about playing it. before it started, he said "you know, it's fucking great to be back" in front of a c-ville audience he hadn't seen since 11-16-93. it's a good tune. what i think the problem is on both uttad and r2t is that he was trying to hard. they played it too slow for r2t, and then just sat there and played the most standard version of it they possibly could because they were afraid of screwing up (i suppose), and then on uttad they simply decided to rewrite the song. what i'd like to know, though, is for those of you who heard the song for the first time on uttad and have know heard it live (a contigency of people that is probably very small at this point), how do you think they compare. i'd like to know how the live version fits into the ears of a person who is used to uttad. why don't i like lover? everytime i try to enjoy where the song is taking me, leroi appears. not that leroi is bad or anything, but it sounds very "added." like they finished mixing the song and said "oh, we don't have enough leroi in here" and then just played the song and let him more or less goof off. i know there a plenty who will disagree with this, but to me, by the time we get to where leroi takes his normal solo, i'm getting tired of hearing him in there. but to me, that is the one song that lost the most when they took away keyboards from it, and i've never been able to appreciate quite as much as the version from 11-17-92. sorry to be so winded. but i have a saturday afternoon to kill. thanx for listening. to those who managed to get in on my tape offer, i'll be in touch soon, probably tomorrow. ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
Hi all; popular tunes. It seem that every band has one or two songs that are their trademarks. Dave has Ants and Sattelite, Blues Traveler has But Anyway, and Big Head Todd and the Monsters have Bittersweet. These are generally very catchy tunes that do a good job of showcasing the band's style. These are also the songs that stick in peoples mind and motivate them to go check out the band. That is good. to them all the time, go to their shows, and collect their tapes, they start to despise these songs. I am sure that part of the reason is that they just get sick of them, which is understandable, but I think a little unwarranted. bittersweet, which is one of the most annoying songs ever unless it is live) and are fun to listen to. In fact they are often the highlight of the show because pretty much EVERYONE in the crowd knows and likes them, therefore gets excited and starts to groove. I can't say that I would dislike any song in concert that gets the crowd going and the band feeds off that and gets into it too. our little circle.Top Permalink
Well I was able to get my tickets this morning for the Love Day low low price of $97.50 yikes...am I the only one that had no idea that they would cost this much....I understand it is for a benefit....so I'll grin and bear it and enjoy my seats....they are row B in Loge... symphony orchestra and $5 because the carpenter center said "hey, we want some, too." ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________ and where is the "jungle" in a \ rick thompson jungle gym, anyway....... \ stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.eduTop Permalink
Rick is absolutely right about the Ticket Master rip off. But you might want to consider the cheaper tickets. The Carpenter Center is very big, and the acoustics are great throughout the building. I have seen a few things ther and the balcony isn't that bad. But if you have money to burn go for it! I just wanted to let everyone know that you won't be disappointed if you buy the cheaper tickets. This is going to be hell trying to get down tio Richmond on a Tuesday from way up here Blacksburg VA. interested in getting together before the show and grabbing some dinner at some place down there lets do it! 3rd Street Diner, Strawberry Street, The Village, or maybe Joe's Inn? I would really love to meet some people! At Lexington I was too 'busy' to try and find everyone. Take it easy everyone! Scott Miller- Virginia Tech 529 Shanks Hall Blacksburg, VA 24060 sctm@vt.edu "Turns out not where, but who you're with that really matters!"Top Permalink
one of the things i like about the book ecotopia is that it creates a world where music is music, and credit and who wrote it and who played it and how many people should be listening to it aren't that important. that would be cool. you can't get famous, but then again, you can't get psychotic people stalking you (and sometime killing you) and you can't get large contingencies of people accusing you of selling out. anyway, about he copyright thing, i agree with the statement tape all you want, they'll make more. (uh-oh, is that a trademark violation?:) but i also think that the blue screen situation is just a good way of getting the music spread around. sort of like being turned on to shannon worrell or the empty's via the aware II cd (granted, nandacket records or whatever has permission). from myself. :) if chico came on the air one week and decided "hey, there's this great new cd from one of the bands i highligh called 1.99 romances, and it's by god street wine. i think it's such a great piece of work that i'm going to highlight it for you this week" and then plays the whole thing, and _then_ trees that show, he's up shit's creek. but i think mixing in one song among many others, and then spreading that around he has nothing to worry about. your copyright statements are more of a protection scheme to protect themselves from loopholes than anything else. occasionally the fbi gets a little rambunxious and throws someone in jail, but i would sooner worry about winning the lottery. (so ben, am i going overboard?) ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
some place down there lets do it! 3rd Street Diner, Strawberry Street, The Village, or maybe Joe's Inn? I would really love to meet some people! At Lexington I was too 'busy' to try and find everyone. Take it easy everyone! i think that this particular show is the greatest one ever concieved for a dave.net gathering (partly because it can draw all of us appalachiites in touch with 3rd street and reserve their balcony from, say 5-7. and let whoever wants to join in, join in. there's room for at least 40-50 people up there, and if i'm not mistaken, they advertise for the sake of reserving that space for large groups. 3rd street has _great_ food, _great_ coffee (this is the place that taught me that some coffee is better but this is 3 months away. public computer lab at james madison university, and this guy is sprawled out across three chairs, snoozin' hard, waiting for a program to run. weird. i'm glad none of my classes requires the use of these labs....:) ps-jeff, have you ever been there? ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________ maybe i should redigestify. i'm \ rick thompson posting way to fucking much....:) \ stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.eduTop Permalink
being blown away by what can only be an amazing version of Minarets. Anyway, buying directly from Ticketbastard cash only outlets saves the $1 "processing charge" (that's Regency Mall among other places for Richmonders). A word about ($49.50 I believe) are the best in the house. They are the first balcony which hangs over about half of the floor seats and affords a very close view plus the "overhead" angle, which is good. The front floor seats (49.50 as well) are also really good, by virtue of their closeness. The $29.50 seats (which I opted for) are the back half of the floor seats and the front of the second balcony. IMHO, the price makes these seats the best value, unless you have the cash or really want to impress someone. Finally, the 22.50 seats are the far back balcony, which are still decent but it is worth the seven dollars to get the better tix. The biggest detraction with this show is that the price andseating means that friends buying tickets at different times will not see each other for the entire show. Much more condusive to having a date though. growing old. I'm glad they altered it, as they often do from night to night in their shows. Also, as far as marketing goes, I'm sure Dave and RCA (mostly RCA) were conscious of the image projected by riffs and instruments and it may be that the dueling banjos was too far into the realm of country music. Although with such a variety of sounds already I don't see why that would matter. I don't know, but many music fans are touchy about the country sound and perhaps that is even why there is less Boyd in general on the album. I like Ants on UTTAD though- to me it was always Steffan's bass line that defined the song and that is still intact. Also, add my name to the NYE list, whoever is doing that. BTW, rooms at the Marriot are booked but the Raddison is just a few blocks away if people really need a place to crash. Don't have the number on me. Greg Parisi parisigre@urvax.urich.eduTop Permalink
show, and so have a couple of you.....The question I have, and mentioned briefly in my last post was that do you think that this show at the symphony would go well with a somewhat more dressy theme. you bring the smokes, I'll bring the quaters (do you think they'll ever put a Dave Matthews disk in 3rd Streets Jute Box?) Any how, would anyone else agree that getting a little dressed up for this event might be fun. I mean it will be Valentines Day, and if I can russle up a date for my other ticket, then going all fancy might be fun. I am currently enjoying the calm before the storm, as far as studying and exams go....so I am sitting here logged on as well watching messages from myself pop up. I guess my complaining about high ticket prices could have been avoided if I had just asked the lady from Ticket*asterd if there were any cheaper seats. But I think that this is a once in a life time thing that all should travel and come see..... Catch ya later, em check out my new WWW pageTop Permalink
Ok. all responces welcome. What does Carter say,sing,whatever in the live intro to minarets before Dave goes 'yeah yeah yeah...'? Ive no clue kind of like this little rap thingy? daveTop Permalink
hey all. the long intro to Ants on R2T's has some significance to the audience if not a downright power play by Carter. when DMB started attracting larger and larger and larger still crowds, they were jammin' cause people started to sing the words and know the songs like they were a bedtime story of old. so Dave realized that people were catching on to song intro's and such and could see how psyched people would get when a certain song would begin. certainly i have jumped up and down when the subtle intro to Seek Up would start. that song used to put me on the moon with my little Penguin friends and a bottle of Boones farm. sooooo.... heres what i'm trying to say...... We started catching on to the intro of ANTS when they used to throw that song around in their setlists. they would play a song,then jam, then Carter would go "tok,tok,tok,tok..." and the audience knew what was coming. the march of the Ants. the march of us. we could'nt wait to stomp our feet like a hillbilly hoedown in Boyd's solo, clanking beer bottles or whatever else you could get yo' hands on. i usually beat on my chest like Tarzan. it was a community groove. like a big drunk drumcircle minus the drums('cept Carter's of course). a few shows went like this...RecentlySweet Home AlabamaAnts. fun..fun..fun. .....then Ants came to stand on its own once again......sooooo... just the intro to Ants became important in psyching the crowd..... so after all that babbling from the attic, this is what i'm trying arms at the sound of one simple snare drum beat? not many...... been looking for DMB to release something for over a year. and the simple 30 second drum beat at the beginning of the CD was a call to arms and saying to the audience "yes,yes,yes here we are on our very own album, so get ready to jam with us in your living room." it was sorda like Carter was talking to us using his other voice. and it was so simple but it definitely meant something. so there's my humble interpretation. i still stomp my feet.....Top Permalink
the reason i find the ants on uttad so annoying is that it's so damn hallow. Exactly. It just sounds like crap. In the intro you can tell how odd the violin and sax 'thing' (anyone have a better word for the 'buh..buhbuhbuh...buhbuhbuh...' deal?) sounds. I have only listened to that part of the song once with headphones, but I think it's possible that either Leroi isn't playing in that part at ALL and it's all violin, or another reason which I won't get into on the net since people will either not understand it or won't care. song is there, but it sounds processed, reprocessed, and pretty much if i try to picture the song as an image in my head (something i'm fond of doing with anything) it looks very faded and, well, tired. Though I haven't been able to fully enjoy the damn song for months now (in any form...live...album...live album...), I don't think this is necessarily true. The band COULD have made the song stand out. I think somewhere the song just got fucked up. It was partly the fault of the band, but I think it's possible that Mr. Big Shot Producer Who Has Worked With Lots of Big Time Bands (steve lillywhite) never heard the song live enough to notice the things that make, as I've stated before, 12 year old girls scream a la Beatles on Sullivan. and singing to it like it's only the third time i've ever heard it. and then sometimes that song actually carries me away. if you ever have a chance This is definately true. But by now the song is such a standard song that there is no emotion left in it at all. The only emotion I see is the energy that the crowd, at least most of it, infuses into the band while they play the song since so many people love it. Oh, and the CD Lover isn't THAT bad. It's no 11/17, but it's okay... cut cut cut cut benji just another memo from the cellar, ************************************************************************Top Permalink
let me just say that i am one of those dated kooks who got hooked on DMB by Ants on R2T. i thought it was SO ballsy to to that huge Carter intro, and i was psyched to hear Ants on UTTAD. and only three hits to start it off! the song continued to surprise me throughout, and i think Boyd and Leroi have really outdone the dueling banjos riffs with their solos and backup. so much so, that i am using the UTTAD Ants to do an a capella version of the song. can i just say, this is one of the hardest things my group (Sixteen Feet) has ever tried. i've had to dip into the 1/29/94 Tim and Dave Wetlands show and the TRAX ??/??/92 show with Peter to round it out, but that song is SO COMPLEX. First of all Stephan goes off in the middle of the last break section (after Leroi's moment of triumph), and Carter is untouchable in this song. our vocal percussionist is going to pop a blood vessel one of these days... plus, i've really enjoyed the way the studio has treated Dave's voice on this song. he hits all those "HE wakes up"s and the "WE look"s, and can i also say that we are never going to get the DaveVoice that we want to, but we'll keep trying. i've seriously breached Feet Security by mentioning that we're doing this song (it's a big secret, i want to surprise all the Swarthmore DMB fans), but i really wanted to defend this song. flame away! -anyoneotherthanme, a.k.a. 'dominic' ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ read. bike. read. listen to dave. read. eat? sleep. read. type. listen to dave. write. eat. sleep? play disc. read. bike. listen to dave. EAT! eat... eat. listen to dave. listen to dave. hear dave. repeat until everybody's happy, everybody's free... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Dominic Sagolla '96 | dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu ( ) Swarthmore College | dominic@raptor.swarthmore.edu ) | Swarthmore, PA 19081 | sagolla@cs.swarthmore.edu (_)Top Permalink
Hey all, I have not posted for a few days, glad to be back-first I want to tell all of you that I resubscribed to Phish.net, which was the first listproc type/deal I was ever on...I was shocked at how mean some of the losers on Phish.net are-dont bother posting anything to Phish.net about Dave, or RR because the few people who do end up catching all sorts of un-nesscessary shit for it from these DIE HARD freaks. Nothing against everyone on Phish- net but just thosewh whoppos a bone to pick with the people who seem to be on the net simply for the sake of FLAMING people. ANYWAY NONE OF THIS SHIT GOES ON HERE-I'M ESPECIAL- LLY PROUD OF US ALL! Whatever we end up naming ourselves, however big DAVE eventually gets, and however LARGE MINARETS grows to be...LET'S NEVER END UP LIKE THOSE PEOPLE. SORRY FOR THE SPELLING GUYS, IT'S DARK HERE AND I CANT FIND THE DEL KEY! MY QUESTION FOR THIS POST IS..... Could someone out there please explain to me what Blue Screen Shows are I can't tell if they are a band, or a DJ by looking at the frequently posted setlists. If they are a band, do they only perform covers? Any answer is a good answer, and I'm sure that I dont have to say Any answer is a good answer, and I'm sure that I dont have to say have to say" No PHLAMES please"! You get what I mean-I gotta get outtA here-I am making myself look like I cannot speak English.... later ThomasTop Permalink
youve been asking about dress for love day show, emily and well .. im no fashion queen but .. im can remeber what i wore to bruce hornsby and the symphony a few years?? back .. that was at the masque and i remember the night pretty damn well for some reason ...uhh maybe it was my birthday and the ticket andnight out from boarding school in the middle of the week .... sigh welll .. i thinkits comaprable to dave and the symphony the dress varied big time ... the guy who came to pick me up had on a tie and jacket .. by the time we got there he asked if he could loose the jacket .. by the time he was inside he asked if it would be ok to loose the tie ... he lost em both , kept his shirt tucked in belt etc.. lots of chics in dresses and skirts ..some in slacks ..some in just way nice looking in a pair of jeans and top ..and guys some jackets some ties some kackis some some jeans ... everyone jsut looked smiley happy and shiney clean. it was the kind of night that if youre comfy dressin up and you want to .. you wont feel out of place either way uhh did i make anysense ? is that help at all, cat? geez stop babbling take care catherineTop Permalink
Well, I'm sorry to say but for those of you who had asked for my solo show in trade for various things - You're addresses have been erased in a terrible server expolsion...Therefore, I would ask that anyone who had confirmed a trade please re-send your addresses to me (that includes the person who had the COMPLETE ritz show from 9-29-94, as well as Danielle, Kim, and the Juciy filler guy, I need to confirm trades with you three. I'm sorry for the inconvienence but my physics server, "doc" as he is officially known, burned up last night and everything that was in my Inbox got fried... As for the current discussion aver ants... favorite song, and well...I guess that's why I play it alot. Sooooo....here's the scoop" heard several that are worse - we all know that dave likes to experiment with styles and sounds, maybe he doesn't like it either. But the bottom the cd player. Oh and if my vote counts for anything I like the Screaming from the minarets shirt idea and would be willing to draw up a design over the break if we still need an artist. seanTop Permalink
YES FM, 100.3 in Ithaca, NY played Best of What's Around this afternoon. This is a station that has America's House Party or something like it on Saturday nights. A few weeks ago somebody posted their nightmare would be to hear, "Coming up after this from Snoop Doggy Dogg, Ants Marching!" It appears this has come true. Any thoughts on DMB being picked up by a Top 40 station? "Shut up I'm thinking I had a clue now it's gone forever." --Dave MatthewsTop Permalink
Ok. all responces welcome. What does Carter say,sing,whatever in the live intro to minarets before Dave goes 'yeah yeah yeah...'? Ive no clue kind of like this little rap thingy? dave he's not saying anything, if i'm thinking of the right intro. it's just dave and carter making odd sound effects, my favorite being when dave does the hallow cricket sounding thing in each measure. it's my favorite part of the song, actually. i think the first time they did it was 9-7-93 at TRAX, and leroi helped out on that one, making it really sick. ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
I am so sick of people trying to analyze why Ants is on UTTD the way it is. Maybe Dave likes that version, or maybe he doesn't, but just felt like annoying all you guys, who btw have way too much time on your hands.Top Permalink
Hello everyone, I'm really disappointed. I joined the concert board here at Syracuse University this past semester. By the time we conviced the president of the club to get Dave, his fall tour was allready booked. She (the president) tells us next semester, no problem providing his price doesn't go up. Well being the time of year to start booking for next semester we our price range"!!! So she gets Dee-Lite instead! AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!! Nothing against BHT but I'm not paying an inflated price to see Dave in an opening slot( What's that about an hour, ooo wee) Someone, please tell me this isn't true! Peace n' groove, DanTop Permalink
It seems as if this has become the Ants stopming network. Does anybody else feel that ANTS is a quality song. It was stated that the intro sounds hollow and weak;personally I love the ending. the sharp and sudden drum with the fiddle and sax is premo. frquently and will continue to eat it! Bands have songs by which they are recognized. If you think of great bands there are certain songs that stang out and are recognized as the trademarks of a band. Ants is filling that role for DMB! Not every band can achieve the status of the BEATLES or LED ZEPPELIN. Those are are teh exception! Only a few bands can create only great songs! Dave, keep on doing whta you're doing. it sounds great!Top Permalink
Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table and Dreaming (RCA) (w/ picture of CD) Blends of dreamy shifting melodies and airy arrangements make the Dave Matthews Band's music surge with energy and excitement. Listen closely to the South African Matthews' voice, which a times sounds like Robert Plant's. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. That is all I have to say. p.s. hey clare why don't you put THIS in the articles file, yuk yuk. Ben just another memo from the cellar, ************************************************************************Top Permalink
well, i'd love too make these arguments on the net, but i've been really posting too much lately. i just want everyone to see what i have to say, dammit. :) that's ok, we don't mind... ;) but i see something really cool in the fact that you want to do the song acapella. but the thing is, i don't think i'd be able to listen to you do it, and then say "oh, that's the uttad ants." i'd probably listen to the song and say "wow, i've never heard ants marching played that way." even if you do it exactly the same. that's exactly what i'm looking for. 1) when the DMB fans in the audience hear 2001, they'll think, "Oh, cool. That's a strange sound they're making... wait, deja vu... nahh." 2) then, we'll hit em with the riff. 3) your reaction (hopefully). 4) then, we end with a snippit from Lover Lay Down. didja ever notice that the last words of Ants, "Lights down you up and die," can be relplaced by "Spring sweet rhythm dance in my head"? same notes from LLD, but with the Ants beat. it's coming together... your talking about doing something with that song that's never even been imagined (well, i'm sure it's been imagined, but you get my picture, right?). but it doesn't change the fact that i think that the way dave has always done it suits the song better in terms of the sounds created by the dave matthews band. i agree. live Ants is one of the best things about Dave Band. if i were in a 16 voice group, no. Sixteen FEET. eight guys. and for those in the Philadelphia/Swarthmore area, the Jamboree is the 7th(Wednesday) and 10th(Saturday) of December. do come 'if you like a mobu jobu' (-Dave, plugging Recently) laters, ya'll ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ read. bike. read. listen to dave. read. eat? sleep. read. type. listen to dave. write. eat. sleep? play disc. read. bike. listen to dave. EAT! eat... eat. listen to dave. listen to dave. hear dave. repeat until all you can hear are #'s 12-33... ================================================================ Dominic Sagolla '96 Swarthmore College Swarthmore, PA 19081 dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu dominic@raptor.swarthmore.edu sagolla@cs.swarthmore.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Top Permalink
I'm almost positive that we'll have some type of net gathering before the Dec. 27 show in Atlanta. I've received enough responses, I think, to constitute a gathering. If you're interested, please write me a message with Atlanta or Gathering in the subject. Furthermore, I'd like to get some input on how anyone would like to see this happen (including those who already responded). Would you want to meet somewhere way before the show, an hour before the show, or just at the show? Our numbers will probably help define what we'll do, but the two options I've been considering are dinner or meeting at a park in Atlanta (or both). If you're going, try to help make this happen.Top Permalink
I'm almost positive that we'll have some type of net gathering before the Dec. 27 show in Atlanta. Would you want to meet somewhere way before the show, an hour before the show, or just at the show? Our numbers will probably help define what we'll do, but the two options I've been considering are dinner or meeting at a park in Atlanta (or both).Top Permalink
By the way I'm one of those drunk frat boys and all I have to say is if they were assholes before the frats they'll always be assholes. The frats just make it easier to recognize the particularly annoying assholes(they congregate more readily than the rest). Which hopefully I am not. fraternity or no fraternity. i can distinguish an asshole when i see one. And I hope all of you who were making such a big deal about labeling DAMABA fans (grannies, jimmies) aren't using such terms as "frat boys" Otherwise I might have to label you as a hypocrite, and then we'd both feel like dumbasses (one label that I use freely without regret) Not angry, just making a valid point, Doug well.. i know one thing.. i'm certainly not a drunk frat boy. spreading hugs and spoons for finals. clare emily send off now! (NOW!) for your free hug! ******************************************************************************* *******************************************************************************Top Permalink
really add a lot to Phish, but we got the feeling that they only knew certain Phish songs, which detracted from the variety of the shows. The DMB played well, with a more unique set than last night. They seemed to be more intent on playing well than impressing the crowd, which they did last night. DMB --- (once again I missed at least one song) Best of What's Around Rhyme & Reason All Along the Watchtower Recently True Reflections Ants Marching PHISH ----- Set I ----- Wilson Divided Sky Guelah Papyrus Scent of a Mule Eastern European sounding jam Run Like an Antelope Colonel Forbin's Ascent Sample in a Jar Set II w/ GCH ------------- ? Suzy Greenberg Gumbo? Slave to the Traffic Light Same ? as Set II last night Cmon, Cmon, Cmon Touch Me Babe (Fishman singing and dancing, Trey on drums) Don't Take Another Step Cavern -encore- (alone) Golgi Apparatus Dave, but what can you do? Highlights for me with the DMB were Watchtower (which I had never heard live) and True Reflections (they played this two nights ago also, are they bringing it back?). Boyd was on tonight, with slower, groovier jams than usual, more lead fiddle than rhythm fiddle. Steffan was also playing better than usual, IMHO. Wilson, Divided Sky and Colonel Forbin's Ascent again (I prefer a few Gamehenge songs rather than a full set), and Run Like an Antelope, Guelah, and especially Scent of a Mule, which had that E. European jam and another great piano solo, were great. Gumbo and Don't Take Another Step, Golgi was a really good encore, but Touch Me, Babe easily stole the show for me. Trey moved in on drums (I didn't know he could play so well!) and Fishman went crazy singing and dancing (no Vacuum though). Hoping for a great one from Dave tonight in San Francisco!!Top Permalink
For all intrested, if you need info. Hey its a weekend and exams are probably over so "ROAD TRIP." It will be fun. Looking forward to seeing ya'll in Austin and Chouston.Top Permalink
accidentally deleted all of this months messages.Top Permalink
I tried FTPing the sound files from the DMB directory. What format are these files in? Their extensions are .au? but my windows recorder says it can't recogonize the type and their not valid WAV format... Any info would be appreciated. CraigTop Permalink
I think meeting before the Symphony show on Valentine's Day is a great idea. It will make a memorable experience even more memorable. I also support the dessing-up deal. I'm not talking black-tie or anything, but neat attire seems more appropriate. Dressing up and sitting down for a Dave show? I don't know. I'm excited and all, but I've adopted the wait-and-see attitude. One thing's for sure, I'm looking forward to meeting all you (enter favorite Dave fan label here) from around the some other fine places? I'd feel kind of funny at 3rd St. in a shirt and tie (and pants). How about Bottom's Up, Coyote, Richbrau, or something like that? Just throwing out suggestions... JonTop Permalink
Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table and Dreaming (RCA) (w/ picture of CD) Blends of dreamy shifting melodies and airy arrangements make the Dave Matthews Band's music surge with energy and excitement. Listen closely to the South African Matthews' voice, which a times sounds like Robert Plant's. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WHY do people keep saying this?????????????????? this is the second time i've seen dave compared to robert plant, and not that i don't like plant (hey, zeppelin helped me figure the six-string out), but it's simply not true. dave doesn't sound a thing like robert plant. why? why? why? and _no_ i don't like bud dry. (new amsterdam winterfest on the other hand....) ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
WHY do people keep saying this?????????????????? this is the second time i've seen dave compared to robert plant, and not that i don't like plant (hey, zeppelin helped me figure the six-string out), but it's simply not true. dave doesn't sound a thing like robert plant. why? why? why? and _no_ i don't like bud dry. (new amsterdam winterfest on the other hand....) I completely understand what you are saying, I have never compared the 2 myself, but at the same time, I see where the comparison can come from. Both have a pretty amazing range, both have a very emotional/a lot of heart, type sound, and Dave does do a pretty strange Stairway to Heaven. But for the most part I agree, the comparison is indeed a stretch. I have always thought Dave was a total nasal singer. If I pinch my nose and sing, I can almost make Satellite sound like Satellite, not really, but I tell myself that to keep my seld esteem up! Anyway, 'Talk amongst yourselves!' Scott Miller- Virginia Tech 529 Shanks Hall Blacksburg, VA 24060 sctm@vt.edu "Turns out not where, but who you're with that really matters!"Top Permalink
these are my favorite two lines of the header to these things. "open discussion for the dave matthews band." ha. haha. and wouldn't it be neat to be know as anastasios kotsikonas. we should start calling our bagby's "kotsikonas'" tee-hee. I think meeting before the Symphony show on Valentine's Day is a great idea. It will make a memorable experience even more memorable. I also support the dessing-up deal. I'm not talking black-tie or anything, but neat attire seems more appropriate. Dressing up and sitting down for a Dave show? I don't know. I'm excited and all, but I've adopted the wait-and-see attitude. One thing's for sure, I'm looking forward to meeting all you (enter favorite Dave fan label here) from around the some other fine places? I'd feel kind of funny at 3rd St. in a shirt and tie (and pants). How about Bottom's Up, Coyote, Richbrau, or something like that? Just throwing out suggestions... how about a place we know we can get everyone other than myself into. i know bottom's up is of age, and i assume that since richbrau is a brewery, it's of age. and if you feel funny _at all_ going to 3rd st, maybe you shouldn't be at 3rd street. sorry. clare, explain my bluntness to everyone. anway, like i said, i was thinking of the balcony at third st. we'd be our own little group and nobody would care whether you/we are dressed up. i tend to be somewhat rugged, myself. if my shirt even has buttons, i'm dressed up. so every time i go to 3rd st with clare, i feel like she's dressed up, simply because she likes to wear dresses. and also, since the debate on lableing started/finished, i've noticed alot of people saying "enter favorite dave fan label here." now, i'm among those who don't care what you call me, or why you call me that, but i don't particularly want to be know as an "efdflhere." i think it might be kind of cool to meet some _people_ at this gathering and what not. their may even be people their who have no clue as to the workings of this net. they just came because i friend invited them. and while on this net, i have no qualms with being referred to as a dave.netter, because that's something that i cannot deny that i am. the fact that i can't be explained/described/labelled for liking dave band doesn't mean that we have to be so ambiguous about our association with this net, eh? ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
last week someone asked me specifically for the lyrics to song that jane likes, and when i went to do it, i realized that it isn't in the file. duh... WHY DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME???????????? do i feel stupid or do i feel stoopid. no, maybe i feel stewpyd. anyway. if you're waiting for copies of r2t lyrics, you'll have to wait a bit. er. ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
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someone suggested Bottoms up for a net meet ..thingy well ive got no clue if ill be in town for the symphony or no but damn i sure want Bottoms Up pizza .. and now! yummy feelings cathyTop Permalink
hey now, i am sorry, but i can't handle 70 messages of ants talk. I like the song, but do we need to talk about it somuch? to end this conversation, i will lisner show on nov8, i met three of the dmb record executives. they were really nice, and one gave me a 6th row ticket for free. anyway, they said that dave didn't want ants on the album but they pushed him to do it so hard that he did. that is why it is on there. also, they played what would you say on that radio show, because it will be their 1st video.Top Permalink