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CO95MA19@acs.wooster.edu Sun Nov 13 14:04:26 1994
I would like to subscribe minaress Megan Cooper, thanks
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dmb graphics
Bernardo.Evangelista@Washcoll.EDU Sun Nov 13 15:56:58 1994
please send me pictures/graphics
Bernardo Evangelista@washcoll.edu
netspace.org in pub/Dmb
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Buford gets in line
NebuIous@aol.com Sun Nov 13 17:11:47 1994
Get in Line is defintely growing on me fast, anyone tried to transcribe
it yet?
Take "Help Myself", make it happy, throw in a strange jam that doesn't really
fit but is still fun, and you've got Get In Line...
:)
(i like GIL, though).
BEN the man who can't choose sigs...
just another memo from the cellar,
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Boone and Wake
fhouse@vt.edu Sun Nov 13 18:29:53 1994
returned with soundboards of both the Boone and Wake Forest shows... I'd
like a copy of the Lexington show if anyone would like to trade, but I don't
have time to trade with that many people...
played (I am very grateful that they did!) It sounded like he was going
through puberty, his voice cracked every time he had to sing high or low...
The setlist was incredible and they did some sick jams, including Seek Up...
Dancing Nacnies, #36, True Reflections, and One Sweet World were all
GREAT... But as my good friend said "Rusted root outplayed Dave" :) ... and
they certainly did... RR was great and I bought their disc as soon as doors
opened... The soundman told me they just finished recording a video, but
they have no idea when it might be on (I don't even know what song)... Well,
I enjoyed my three consecutives shows and I look forward to Dave coming back
to VA.. Remember, I need a Lexington...
P.S.- Lets all wish Dave a quick recovery from his cold!
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Tapeage.
mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu Sun Nov 13 18:33:14 1994
hey all. just discovered something.
since DAMABA has a record label backing them,their equipment has
gotten alot phatter..................
therefore making our bagbies sound way,way phat with a capital PH.
with so many decks making their way to soundboard, I commented to the
Bagman why Phish can't allow soundboard patches anymore and how long
till Dave gets this problem....
he looked at me like I had insulted him and said, " don't worry,i'm cool."
if i had had half a Z he would have gotten it free of charge.
suggestedly be called " Violet Ivy " well....
i listened to it without the lights and maybe it should be called
word.)
or maybe " Violent Ivy and the Marsupial "(song sounds like Australia)
or maybe " Aussie Ivy "
or maybe...ouch...someone just hit me on the head with an umbrellla...
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a tidbit or too for me and you
REIDENOUE@urvax.urich.edu Sun Nov 13 18:47:16 1994
I don't know exactly who puts all the time and effort into compiling the
FAQ file, but I just wanted to say thank you. I just wanted to make one
little eensy-weensy, itsy-bitsy correction. In the cover section, it
said that DMB does the song Watchtower (as we all know) by Jimi Hendrix.
I wanted to make it known that, while Hendrix made this song popular, it
was written by Bob Dylan. I don't say this to flaunt my superior
knowledge because, god knows, there are MANY poeple out there who know
more about music than I. I just wanted to make sure that the FAQ file
is entirely accurate. Once again, thanks to all those who put the file
together - it's a tremendous contribution.
Oh yeah. Regarding the cover section, I would like to get my hands on
Nature (Samples) and Sympathy for the Devil (Stones). I'm aways looking
for a trade anytime, anywhere, so drop me a line if you're interested. I
have many DMB shows with all the other covers + songs you don't hear anymore.
"I'll take some Vitamin C and you to."
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11/11/94 TREE!
messierb@ucsuc.Colorado.EDU Sun Nov 13 19:17:17 1994
This is the official announcement for the 11/11/94 DMB Tape Tree. This
show was recently taped at Wait Chapel, and by all accounts was an
excellent show. Many thanks to Dan for providing me with this seed. The
show fits on 2 90 min tapes. The signups for this tree will last until
midnight, Tuesday Nov. 15. Any signups taken after that date will not be
accepted! Unless you ask nice, then only maybe :-) Please fill out the
Messierb@ucsuc.Coloardo.edu
*************OFFICIAL TREE SIGNUP FORM!!!!!!! **************************
**********************************************************************
Please send the above form to me at Messierb@ucsuc.colorado.edu
with a subject of "Branch" or "Leaf"
Peace & Out...
Brad
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Re: a tidbit or too for me and you
djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us Sun Nov 13 20:07:13 1994
I don't know exactly who puts all the time and effort into compiling the
FAQ file, but I just wanted to say thank you. I just wanted to make one
little eensy-weensy, itsy-bitsy correction. In the cover section, it
said that DMB does the song Watchtower (as we all know) by Jimi Hendrix.
I wanted to make it known that, while Hendrix made this song popular, it
was written by Bob Dylan. I don't say this to flaunt my superior
knowledge because, god knows, there are MANY poeple out there who know
more about music than I. I just wanted to make sure that the FAQ file
is entirely accurate. Once again, thanks to all those who put the file
together - it's a tremendous contribution.
I would assume that reference is to the fact that Bob Dylan himself
says that Watchtower is Hendrix's song. Dylan may have written it,
but Hendrix made it.
--
Daniel J. Blanchat | Question Authority. Question Reality. Question Me.
djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us | If someone tells you that you don't need another
Renegade Libertarian | source for information, you most assuredly do.
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pics
driver8@phy.duke.edu Sun Nov 13 20:53:46 1994
Can someone tell me how to view the pics in the graphics file through
mosaic? I can't seem to launch the viewer...
thanks...
sean
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Boulder tix
mcelvain@ucsu.Colorado.EDU Sun Nov 13 21:05:22 1994
Hi all, if anyone out there has an extra ticket for any of the Fox
theater shows Nov 17, 18, or 19, please let me know. Regardless, hope to
see you at the Fox on the 17th and in Vail on the 20th. Sucks to be
forced to go to the all ages show, but I guess thatis the way it goes
when your birthday is on the 21st and Dave is playing on the goddamn
17-20th. Shit!
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Jambay 6-14-93 Tree Structure
grayp@pinn.net Sun Nov 13 21:42:58 1994
The following is the tree structure for Jambay - Fox Theatre 6-14-93.
I didn't really intend on it being a tree, but the response was large
enough. The only people that have to make tapes are the ones that
offered to make them. The show is approximately 180min long so it should
fit on 2 90s.
DD DA AA
Gray Proulx - grayp@pinn.net
Well, thats it. Sorry it took so long, but I don't think I'm happy
unless I have too much to do. If there are any questions, conflicts or
suggestions, feel free to email me at grayp@pinn.net
Enjoy,
Gray
Silence comes with no instructions!
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Questions about MIDI....
jpederso@d.umn.edu Sun Nov 13 22:00:14 1994
I have got a couple of question rearding MIDI that I'm hoping some of you
may be able to help me out with. Now that I have myself a little time
between quarters I have been messing around with my new computer and
found that I have the capability to use MIDI in a multitude of different
ways. I have a 16 bit sound card and a MIDI orchestrator program built
in, allowing me to record up to 16 different tracks and combine them,
like a little recording studio. Ok, about my questions. First of all, I
need an instrument to play into the computer. My brother has a multitude
of guitars that he runs through a nice little processor with a MIDI in
and out jack in the back. Can I then run the guitar through the
processor and then into the computer, similar to running a keyboard into
the computer? The other thing that I need to know is how much a MIDI
connector cable costs. If there is anyone that has worked with this I'd
love to hear from you, stuff like what it's like, any suggestions, etc.
Thanks!
-Just a student with a little too much unstructured playtime!!!!!!!!!!
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bdk@umich.edu Sun Nov 13 22:11:28 1994
I'm new to the DMB internet--just wanted to say hello and see if its working.
bdk
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angel lyrics
vastolj@alleg.EDU Sun Nov 13 22:50:04 1994
I know it isn't dave's but i thought it would be nice to throw it in the
lyrics file since he does play it every now and then.
on my way,
joe
Angel from Montgomery
-John Prine
i'm an old woman named after my mother
old man's another, childless "__?__"
dreams were lightning, thunnder, desire
so house would abandon
long time ago
make me an angel that flies from montgomery
make me a poster of an old rodeo
just give me one thing that I can hold onto
to believe in this living is just a hard way to go
when I was a young girl
i had me a cowboy
he won't much to look at
just a free frambling man
that was a long time no matter how I try
his dreams seem to go by like a broken down "wheel?"
make me an angel that flies from montgomery
make me a poster of an old rodeo
just give me something that I can hold onto
to believe in this living is just a hard way to go
flies in the kitchen
I can hear them a buzzin'
lord i ain't done much since I woke up today
how the hell can a person who works in the morning
come home in the evening have nothin' to say
make me an angel that flies from montgomery
make me a poster of an old rodeo
just giving me something that I can hold onto
to believe in this living is just a hard way to go
to believe in this living is just a hard way to go
to believe in this living is just a hard way to go.
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Re: angel lyrics
laurenek@l.imap.itd.umich.edu Mon Nov 14 00:41:05 1994
Hey! Dan went home so he can't e-mail anymore. If he promised you a
boot leg, it's in the mail. You can write to him at home-
Thanks a lot!
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she shells she shells by the she shore
toolemd@duc.auburn.edu Mon Nov 14 02:48:18 1994
I have a few quick questions,
1) I just talked to a guy at Red Light who told me that the Marriot was
giving special room rates for anyone who had tickets to the NYE show -but
when I called the Marriot they said that they were not. Is there a magic
word I should say when I call the Marriot again?
2) While I'm at my home in Northern VA over the break is there any way I
can logon to one of the area schools' systems, as a guest or something?
3) What harmonica-key does Peter play on So Much To Say?
4) Do carpet bunnies eat carpet carrots?
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guitar preamps (NDC)
toddb@chopin.udel.edu Mon Nov 14 06:59:11 1994
I just bought a thinline gold martin pickup for my alverez-yeri
6-string. And I was thinking about using my 4-trak rack as a guitar rack
when I play out, but I still want a true guitar sound. I know many of
you play, so I was wondering if anyone had any good outboard pre-amp
suggestions in the $300 or so price range. Rack mountable would be a
dream. Thanks!
_______
Todd Beauchamp (toddb@chopin.udel.edu)
Quit School; make music.
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poems
tpalvino@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Mon Nov 14 12:06:34 1994
hey all you creative types heres something to keep you busy..
send me a short (about ten lines) poem about why you love DMB so
much..and why the band is the best in this world.
the best poet will get to chose a dave show of my list, which includes
many, many soundbords and the much wanted lexington show...
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Knoxville
sonfije0@seraph1.sewanee.edu Mon Nov 14 12:50:55 1994
The Knoxville set was excellent. Not much new, and dave still had vocal
problems, but he diddn't let it bother them at all. Seek Up Nancies Best
of Whats Around, OSW, True Reflections, Lie in our Graves, Satellite, 36,
recently, ants, warehouse, jimi, Angel, christmas, watchtower, ect.(not in
order). Jimi was great as usual. Boyd got to sing twice and thats always
good. The crowd was fourteen and female. Its funny to watch them ie.
after 36, or the intro to tripping billies. They have no idea whats about
to come so you can watch them as they go nuts when the song, as they know
it on cd starts. Although young, they behaved well. no moshing. Dave and
leroi hung out after for a while. Always good chatting with the boys
Justin Sonfield
S.P.O. 183
735 University Avenue
Sewanee, Tn 37383-1000
(615)-598-2190
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to clear something up
msweeney@muselab.ac.runet.edu Mon Nov 14 13:13:38 1994
Hello all you lovely people you :)
first DMB show) a message got posted to minarets about exclusivity (damn
that's hard to spell) of the net. Well the night before i had the
ability to meet a couple of the reguliars so I decided to try and help
them and help jerm understand what i think i do. What insued was a small
discussion on the matter. As with most things after a little discussion
what was really meant came out. This is a letter i got from jerm that
explains what he meant. I'm posting this since some people might delete
it with out reading it if he posts it. What you guys had missed before
this letter was basically just me explaining that the reguliars here (or
at least the one's i've met) are cool as shit people who are very
freindly. The reason this net is diffrent then mosts is (or so i think)
that the reguliars are close freinds. More than just see each other at
shows and may be share a beer afterwards but are really freinds this was
the responce i've gotten from jerm and he said it was cool if i posted
this. so read and understand. I hope this clears things up.
However, minarets is a public forum, supposedly open for all dmb fans to
read and contribute what they like. As such, I still think it needs to be
a little more open then it currently is, and THAT is why I posted that
message.
I want newbies to crawl out of the corner and feel free to say their
share. I want the oldies to offer up wisdom and cool stories about dave
& co., while being a little more specific when lamenting some ass at a show.
That's all.
(this is what i said i was going to send but to give jerm a human side
i'm going to throw this into hope he doesn't mind)
I would love to meet the old crew, although living in Boston makes that
unlikely. I'm sure they are great people. I guess I'm just hoping they
will become more aware of everybody else. I don't want anyone to stop
posting or talking to each other. I guess I just want everybody to feel
like they can contribute.
Again, I've received more email from people, both old and new, who at
least partially agree with what I wrote. I know I'm not the only one who
feels this way, and I'm just trying to remedy this rather simple problem.
As usual, it's been a pleasure.
peace and good listening,
jerm
Hope this clears things up. It is a bit of a problem but a double sided
problem at that. The old timers can't (and shouldn't) stop being and
acting like freinds. So the new people got to throw some words in now
and then. But it isn't just all newbie stuff problems the old timers got
to remember this isn't the old days when everyone knew eachother and you
knew where all the toes were so you didn't step on any. Umm. ever lose
your train of thought mid sentence. Shit what else was I going to say
shit. Oh well I hope i didn't step on to many toes here and screw things
up any more and if i ever remember what the hell i was going to say i'll
let you know. sorry for the length bye
matt
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My posts
KULPK@tiger.hsc.edu Mon Nov 14 13:23:47 1994
To all of those people out there who can't see the forest for the trees, let me
please point out that if you would stop digging through my posts looking for
things to rant about, and read it in it's entirity, you will see that it was
*gasp* and apology!! I'm sorry if I didn't take the time to explain myself
completely, but frankly I didn't want to waste anymore bandwidth than I already
was. I felt the need to apologize and clarify the meaning of
"Dave-come-latelies", and admittedly I didn't do a very good job of it, but
that cannot be done in words, it's something that you must experience for
yourself. If you read the message then you weren't the type of person I was
talking about. Anybody who cares enough or likes Dave's music enough to
subscribe to the net is automatically excluded. To all of those who could care
less about this little exchange, I apologize for making you read this. To
everybody else, I apologize for wasting bandwidth. To those who have a problem
with what I said, spare the netters, write me directly. And for God's ake, stop
being offended by things that don't exist, and read the posts in the context
that they were written.
"On the fence so as not to offend"
no pointless Dave quotes today, I'm quite pissed.
Today only, smoking is not only allowed but ENCOURAGED in my message.
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Re: colored ivy and new songs
chobbs@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Mon Nov 14 13:25:12 1994
i like calling the new thing
justajam
i like to say it real fast
and repeat it lots
but if violet or violent ivy works for you
cool
catherine
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Re: Boone and Wake
jfogelso@emerald.tufts.edu Mon Nov 14 13:29:55 1994
Hey guys, this is to all with a little personal to Fred added.
First off, I met Fred at the show and he's cool, so don't be harsh and
flame him.
Secondly, Fred went on a minor road trip compared to mine (boston to
Delaware and then a 9 hour road trip with my best friend.) Just a
did the management pick a venue in a town where the traffic lights are 15
min apart from each other? I gue this question comes from going to
school up here in Boston, where you can spit from one light to the next(
although I haven't tried.)
Finally, about the Boone show...
Before Dave and co. came out, I thought that the crowd was going to be as
horrible as this summer Paradise crowd. My best friend and I were up at
the front, because we like to talk to the band while they're playing.
While patiently waiting for the boys to take stage, we witnessed a 6 foot
tall girl punch a 5 foot tall girl in the face, simply because she was
trying to get where she could actually see any of the band members.
But anyway, Fred was right about Dave's voice being shot, but he was
totally wrong about RR outplaying daveband. The reason RR could have
been deemed as putting on a better show than the boys is because to my
knowledge, none of them were sick. I know for a fact that most of the
guys were jet lagged from their recent excursion to Europe and they
caught cold. Boyd, Dave and Carter were all sick with colds, Leroi was
admittedly a bit hungover... Stefan was happy and even a bit bouncy and
although I didn't get to talk to him, he seemed the only one in fine
form.
Dave said on stage that they were all jamming pretty hard, which I agree
to considering how shiity they were feeling. Correct me if I'm wrong,
but I think it's been a while since true reflections was heard. The band
playing it on Sat night was not because they missed playing it, but
because Dave was about to lose his voice and Carter said that they did it
to give him a break. If anyone has or gets the tape, they will see that
Dave's voice is almost totally gone for #36, and it was really painful
for me to see the physcial suffering that Dave was going through as he
literally grasped for some notes. Another significant downer was that
they started to play Drive In, Drive Out, which Leroi told me before the
show was a definite possibility, but it switched into SATELLITE. That
stunk. But that's beside the point. It was good to hear Lie In and True
Reflection , no matter what the reason. Because of Dave being under the
weather, there were no funny Dave-isms and the could-I-have-beens for
Dancing Nancies were strictly from the CD.
Considering what they were going through physically at the time of the
show, I think that they did a fabulous job. Anyone who was at the show
and has any complaints about the performance should know that the band
felt like shit themselves about the performance and should take that into
consideration before they wine bitch about being let down.
Congrats to those of you who made this far, you are now an honorary meber
of the patience club.
Thanks for dealing with my little mini-paper on the Boone show. Listen
to live Dave, do your best to be happy, and please let the 5-5 and under
people in front of you if they politely ask you to let them by when you
happen to be a huge 6 ft and above person.
p.s. Desperately seeking to trade for the Oct 1 Phily show. Can anyone
help me out?
LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO WORRY ABOUT INDENTING!!
jf
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Tripping billies intro and thoughts...
cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Mon Nov 14 13:31:00 1994
Ahh, well I am quite happy to heard the good ole intro back. Yet I am
eagrly awaiting the screams full band version of summer 93. Anyways I
have some brainstorms on this subject...
While we might all know it now, it must be pretty cool for newer fans to
hear an intro you've never hear to a fav song of yours. I remember the
first time I heard the long full band intro, I went orgasmic, well not
really but you know what I mean. Or Wait Chapels little Satellite intro,
that was pretty cool. The PB&Jam/JustAJam/Violent Australain Ivy Plant
Jam into Halloween at Lex/Wait was hot also. Anyone who was at or has
7-14-93 flood zone and has heard the funky warehouse intro will know
exactly what I am talking about. Dave is actually doing a good job to
confuse/suprise both groups of fans. The new ones are exited about
suprises we know about. We're exited about ones we don't.
On humourous DaveSpeak....I think its funyn that Dave plugged his
merchandise in a church and ever condemned himself for it....
Se you in jail....hehehehe
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Oooppssss......
cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Mon Nov 14 13:42:22 1994
Sorry I send that pointless little tidbit to all of you instead of jsut
rick, I guess you'll all know it now.....
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|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu P.O.Box 322 |
|Washington and Lee University Lexington, Va. 24450 |
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| "You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?" |
| "No..." |
| "A Royale with Cheese...." |
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FAQ update idea......if you care......
cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Mon Nov 14 13:41:48 1994
Rick,
about here it is.
Bama Rags release 0002, as you probably have seen/own, was a radio promo
CD that contained a earlier edit of Recently (even worse), an Ants radio
edit (nixed the 30 sec snare tap) and CD cuts of Jane and Tripping (i
think, mybe OSW) and has almost the same cover, except the two people are
in different positions and one is holding a pumpkin (hint for Halloween
on CD? i don't know.
I just figure some knowledeg guru might be interested in this fact, or
ask why R2T is Bama 0001 and Recently is 0003
Just for the hell of it....
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|Chris "Boofy" Buford '96 |
|cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu P.O.Box 322 |
|Washington and Lee University Lexington, Va. 24450 |
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| "You know what they call a 1/4 pounder in france?" |
| "No..." |
| "A Royale with Cheese...." |
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GSW dates
Wojkowsk@cleo.bc.edu Mon Nov 14 13:50:49 1994
I know this is the DMB net but I thought you all would like to know
that God Street Wine is playing down south. For those of you that
don't know of them, go see them, I garuntee you will have a good time.
Nov 16 Duke University
Nov 17 Greenville, NC--Pleasant's Cafe
Nov 18 Winston-Salem--Ziggy's
Nov 19 Charlottesville, VA--Crossroadas music hall
Nov 21 Richmond--Floodzone
Have fun and when you walk into the dawn you must put your slippers on
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Minarets History coming tomorrow.
btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu Mon Nov 14 14:04:29 1994
Hey all. I'm working on the next issuer of the minarets history.
You'll have it tomorrow sometime.
-Ben
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lex and wait
SHERWOODS@urvax.urich.edu Mon Nov 14 14:12:47 1994
can somebody tell me how different were the lex and wiat shows. From
the posts they sound quite similar. I got more soul than a sandal.
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Re: lex and wait
chobbs@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Mon Nov 14 15:16:19 1994
well as brett said on the difference and variety among the lex and wait shows
"I could have gotten more variety by hitting random on my cd player"
while UTTAD was playing.
but but
the feeling was much different
for starters .. when i came home from lex .. i could smell the multiple
types of fagrant second hand smoke
when i got in the car after wait .. there was no smoke to be smelt
because it was purest ..maybe event innocent show ive ever been to
the crowd at lex. is also much more familar with the band and maybe it is
that the band knows how to play to the crowd. at lex much was expected
and lots was received jammy funky wise as well as dancin smiley wise .. and
and at wait the cd
was expected and that was given with lots of davey showmanship to boot
comparing the set lists youll see a slight difference .. comparing the
lenghts of the 2 ill bet lex is way way longer ..its all in the mood
atleast in my mind
catherine
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Tape covers
gottlieb@bu4090.barry.edu Mon Nov 14 15:31:04 1994
Has anyone who listens to DMB created tape covers for the live shows?
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DMB in Knoxville
akinscj0@seraph1.sewanee.edu Mon Nov 14 15:33:01 1994
dave put on another great show last night despite problems with his voice.
not much different from any other set lists i've seen posted lately, but
for me i enjoyed True Reflections and Angel from Montgomery which i haven't
heard in a while. boyd and carter both had awesome shows and i even saw
steffan SMILE and look up at the crowd for once!
the venue was the electric ballroom which is pretty large and i was worried
about the crowd at first. however, it turned out pretty good with no
moshing or extreme crowing. in fact, justin and i even made enough space
to get in some really good dancing right up front (i like being where i can
see carter). we made some great new friends from alabama and we might even
go to nye with them!
overall, the crowd seemed to be mainly new-comers to live dave shows and
we got some really wierd stares during Lie in our Graves and #36 etc. cause
we were singing at the top of our lungs and dancing our asses off. i'm
sure i was being completely annoying, but i just couldn't help myself.
however, i think dave the lady killer really got a kick out of the dozen or
so teenage (interpret very young) girls that stood right in front of him
and drooled and squealed throughout the show. they were absolutely
hilarious (i don't mean this as an insult) and dave just ate up all the
attention!
When the crowd did know a song, they really got into it and had a great
time DANCING, not just swaying or moshing. the best part was watching the
unsuspecting look on crowd's faces during that new intro to tripping
billies suddenly burst into huge smiles and all get-out when the familiar
part came around. that's what makes dave so special... the surprises. i
think the new guys are kinda luck cause they don''t always know what's
coming up. justin always wants to know the set list ahead of time but i
just enjoy finding out as the show goes along. keeps it interesting!!!
however, that's not to say that dave doesn't keep the average bootleg fan
"yeah! yeah!" in tripping that kicks ass!!!
i was really excited to hear christmas song since i've never heard it live.
again, the crowd was great and remained almost perfectly quiet as dave
pulled off a spine-tingling solo despite his strained voice. he said he
had to go ahead and sing it now since he wouldn't be back this way till
later next year. :-(
overall i say it was a great performance and just goes to show that these
bigger crowds CAN be a lot of fun if ya just give them the chance. granted
i will always love and remember the "reach out and touch the band" venues
of the old days, but i can learn to share as long as i can still see
carter's smile and dance like no tomorrow!
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"When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and
stick together." --Robert Fulghum
"Lost in the arms of morpheous -- that somnambulistic state of glorious
oblivion......" --My dad
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Jennie Akins
SPO 1117
735 University Avenue
Sewanee, TN 37383-1000
akinscj0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
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mosaic & world wide web
dee3s@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Mon Nov 14 16:24:05 1994
Mosaic and the World Wide Web so if someone could repost the home page
address (is that what you call it?) I would appreciate it greatly.
Dan Entin
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Tapes of the Nashville Show
akinscj0@seraph1.sewanee.edu Mon Nov 14 16:40:06 1994
This message is for the following people who have sent me tapes or who have
Charlie (from Lookout Mtn.) *
Bernie Evangelista *=DD
Scott Miller *=FD
Erin Keys *
Anthony Iott *
Ben Tanen ~
* If you have a star by your name that means I have recieved your tapes. I
am sorry it has taken me so long to get these back to you but Justin had to
fix the beginning of Seek Up because Jeff only had it coming out on one
side for the first few minutes of the show. He fixed it now and it sounds
great! I want to make these as good as possible so you can all enjoy this
wonderful show. Thanks for being patient and I promise they will be coming
soon.
=DD Bernie, you only sent one 90 min. tape which presents a problem. The
show is pretty long and I am going to need another 90 min tape to get the
whole show for you. Or, if ya want, I can just record as much as I can and
just send it back that way. Write and tell me what you want me to do.
=FD Scott, I'm sending two 90 min tapes for the trax 11/17/92 show along wit=
h
your copy of the Nashville show. Is that length okay???
~ Ben, I think we're gonna go with the 5 tape trade (superjam and athens
2/4, 2/5/94). We'll send you the Nashville show (2 tapes), the Sewanee
show (1 tape, really good quality), and then either Charleston and
Chattanooga (1 tape each) or last night's Knoxville show (2 tapes). Do you
have a preference?
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"When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and
stick together." --Robert Fulghum
"Lost in the arms of morpheous -- that somnambulistic state of glorious
oblivion......" --my daddy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jennie Akins
SPO 1117
735 University Avenue
Sewanee, TN 37383-1000
akinscj0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
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Boone and Rusted Root
fhouse@vt.edu Mon Nov 14 16:53:49 1994
recording fear not! At the Lex. show the soundman said that Dave would
always allow recording, ask Dan if you don't believe me!
But anyway, Fred was right about Dave's voice being shot, but he was
totally wrong about RR outplaying daveband. The reason RR could have
been deemed as putting on a better show than the boys is because to my
knowledge, none of them were sick. I know for a fact that most of the
guys were jet lagged from their recent excursion to Europe and they
caught cold. Boyd, Dave and Carter were all sick with colds, Leroi was
admittedly a bit hungover...
I completely agree with the reasons WHY Dave didn't play as well but the
fact remains that they didn't! It was RR's last show and I think they
definitely outplayed Dave. Dave's show was intense at times, but RR kept it
consistent... Dave's still my #1 man and all but I still say that at Boone
RR took the show.. Oh well, enough about that...
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Things of interest in Rolling Stone
jpederso@d.umn.edu Mon Nov 14 17:11:52 1994
I was just flipping through my new issue of Rolling Stone and found a
couple of interesting things. First of all, there is an article about
free speech and the internet. I have been around the internet now for a
while and have seen a couple of posts about how "big brother" etc. look
at what gets posted and has used this information against people. This
particular article is about a person who posted a suicide note to a
newgroup, not taking it too seriously himself. He was later taken to a
mental institution, evaluated, and let go. I'm not making any judgements
on this particular case, I just thought this article would be of interest
to the users of the internet.
The other thing that I found (Dave Matthew related) was that UTTAD is
rated #1 by Rolling Stone under the "Altenative Music" catagory, with a
nice little picture of the cover in the corner. I sure hope that the
little *%^# that broke into my car and took my DMB CD's and my CD player
last week realizes how cool his music is!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I encourage everyone to pick up a Rolling Stone and check this article out!
Have fun everyone!!!!!
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Tape...
fhouse@vt.edu Mon Nov 14 17:30:25 1994
to trade for the rest of it...
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Daves illness
peterke3@wfu.edu Mon Nov 14 17:32:15 1994
I can feel for him- I had a cold singing in a musical at UVA- it sucked.
If anyone talks to him on a regular basis, let him know to be careful.
Singing on the cold i had shot my voice for about 6 mos- i couldnt get
the high notes i was used to hitting with ease. He should NOT TALK at ALL
all day until singing at night, and he should gargle with a mixture of
Benadryl Cough Syrup (its a kiddie medicine- pink in a plastic bottle)
and luke warm water. My voice coach tells me its what all the opera
singers use before shows, and it worked well for me. Also, i hope he has
been taught about how to sing from the diaphragm (sp?) and not from
purely his throat-- or we wont be able to enjoy his voice for years to
come...!!!! He worries me, esp on songs like Halloween and the screaming
part of Say Goodbye...
So, if anyone has his ear, you may want to pass on that benadryl thing...
Kristin
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help
SILV1434@SNYPLAVA.BITNET Mon Nov 14 17:35:59 1994
ive been trying to unsubscribe from minarets, simply kuz theres to mush traffic
and if someone can tell me how to do that, id greatly appreciate it.
thanks ttfn, -rhett
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rolling stone
JFDITT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Mon Nov 14 18:57:02 1994
UTTAD is currently #1 on Rolling Stone's Alternative Music Chart.
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blake campell info needed
kmk4g@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Mon Nov 14 19:16:47 1994
if anyone knows blake's current status, please let me know.
dead? comatose? out of town? computerless?
thanks
--kerry
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Re: clear something up
drcraver@mailbox.syr.edu Mon Nov 14 19:17:17 1994
Hello folks,
It feels so good to crawl out of my corner. But now that I'm here what
will I say? For now I'll just say hey. I'm looking forward to doing
some trades with you guyz in the future.
It seems as though moshing has been reported at some shows lately.
Wasn't a problem when I saw them but I have witnessed this idiocracy at
BT shows and it drives me nuts!
--Moshing is great at hardcore shows, not at DMB,
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be mad and tell us all what is behind the veil of 'sanity'...
CLIFFORDC@urvax.urich.edu Mon Nov 14 19:24:20 1994
'poison me against the moon'
when i got in the car after wait .. there was no smoke to be smelt
because it was purest ..maybe event innocent show ive ever been to
true true true. halfway through typical situation (actually more toward
the end of the jam at the end) i looked up to the chandeliers, and the
way the steps circle the edges of the chapel looking down, and the glow
of the lights, and i felt like i was in medievil times and we were at a
fest. i expected dave and the boys to toast us with wine goblets or
something. and i was almost half confused that i wasn't dressed liek a
princess and that the guys around me didnt' have chain-meal on ... wait..
except dan.. who had on camoflauge..... that's kinda close. he counts as
robin hood). i was stone sober. it was amazing. this type of totaly
spiritual energy filled me.
atleast in my mind
catherine
no no silly.. in all our minds.... hee hee
ok. kick back and get a glass of kool aid and let me take you to my own
dandelion field.....
'and i hate and i hate elevator music, the way we
about the whole discussion of netters being friends in real life (as
opposed to this not being real life or anythigng.. ) many of us have
taken this opportunity to indulge ourselves in the other aspects of
other netters lives. i being one. some of my closest relationships have
been conceived on this net. if anyone caught a glimple of maybe 14 or so
people dancing around the soundboard at lexington, hugging eachother,
punching eachother on the arms, dancing, spinning, laughing, smiling. you
saw the people you converse with on this net. in the group of friends i
know, not a one of us would ever exclude anyone..... like i said. its was
about 14 of us, and i didnt' just immaculately start at that number. we all
brougt new people into the group. it started with one or two. and we have
woven our blanket to encase us all.. and our blanket is continually being
woven to include this whole net's expanse. my personal philosophy is that
the more you learn about other people, the more you learn about yourself..
and you can never learn enough about yoruself.
lessee.. what else was i going to say. well.. my point of that all was
for no one to feel like any exclusivity is going on. there is none of
that. please be happy for us who have happened upon friendships
indirectly through this small c-ville band we call the dave matthews
band. we owe so much more to them than they realize. so come up to me at
a show... i'll be ever so excited to meet you. or if you're lonely.. just
send me some mail.. and then we can spark up a friendship that way....
cause it's ever so fun to make new friends. we can swing on mental swings
in our heads together.... and make plans to get together adn do it in
person sometime......okay?
love light and jubilance,
clare emily
den mother troop #346
'somebody leave the light on...'
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this was an old thread...
STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU Mon Nov 14 19:39:02 1994
somebody a while back posted something about a tape with the four
songs recently, i'll back you up, jane's song, and recently being
repeated a couple of times, and that it may be a tape from fall
'91.
well, turns out you may have a copy of dave's first efforts in the
studio. does recently by any chance have some horns dubbed in?
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miscellaneous is an awful big word for lotsa stuff
bmking@mail.wm.edu Mon Nov 14 20:12:52 1994
I got Shannon Worrell's Three Wishes today.. good stuff.. I like dave, tim &
leroi on there..
Recipients of List" or whatever it is...? that seems awful impersonal.
If any of you 11/9 tapers would be willing to seed, I'd be willing to run a
tree.. there was mega grovelling for that, incl me. :)
the same songs, but I might have sounded a bit harsh. there were many other
things that HAD changed to make it a completely different and wonderful
experience, and the dmb is still the dmb...
I know I had 3 other things to say which I'll promptly remember after I send
this.
hope you're all having a pleasant evening,
brett
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Brett Kingswell bmking@mail.wm.edu
a river to the south, to wash away all sins
a college to the east of us, to learn where sin begins
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L A S T N I G H T !
bricker@acme.highpoint.edu Mon Nov 14 20:35:27 1994
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Rockin' in the net.
mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu Mon Nov 14 20:58:41 1994
( the word NET also means that i'm stuck reading e-mail instead of doing
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D I G E S T S !
bricker@acme.highpoint.edu Mon Nov 14 21:10:56 1994
Does anyone know how to receive the dmb digests, like on phish.net? All I
want to do is talk about the man who has impressed me so much with his
musical insight, just in the last three nights of seeing him play live! Is
anyone there? please e-mail me
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re: Angel lyrics
AHENNE@drew.edu Mon Nov 14 21:22:11 1994
let's see, according to _Rise Up Singing_, the best collection of folk and
i'm an old woman named after my mother, my old man is another child who's
grown old
and...
these dreams seem to go by like a broken down dam.
of course, it's quite possible that boyd sings something different when
they play it, i just know what the published lyrics are supposed to be.
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DMB in ATLANTA (Dec 27) ????!!!!????
AMZENDEL@unca.edu Mon Nov 14 22:23:32 1994
I just got the postal newsletter and it said they're going to be in Atlanta on
Dec 27. Does anyone know which venue they'll be playing at. My guess is the
masquerade music park, since that's where they played last time, but it'll
prob. be to cold to have an outside show. Maybe Centerstage, or the Roxy, or
The Variety Playhouse.
Does anyone know how much tix will be and if you can phone order them (thru
ticket-bastard or 1 800 594 TIXX)??????
If you can answer any of these, please let me know!!!!
Thanks,
alex
P.S. How's the Wake tree comin along?????
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Re: MINARETS digest 350
pfollow@unix.cc.emory.edu Mon Nov 14 22:27:45 1994
I saw the Knoxville show last night and loved it. This was my first Dave
show where he headlined (I saw him play at SuperJam IV and HORDE), so
it's not like I had anything to compare it with. Rusted Root was pretty
impressive also. I wasn't in the right state of mind to pay them the
attention they deserved when I caught HORDE in Knoxville. On the drive
up from here (Atlanta), my friend popped in an RR CD, and I immediately
wished I had listened up on them earlier so I could of known their
material.
I thought Dave looked a little on the haggard side; I understand he's
been sick. Still, his vocals sounded good to me (I did notice where he
didn't sing a really high passage on one song). I thought One Sweet
World dragged a little, but my friend who taped it said it was more of a
mellow take on the song that they chose to do instead of a tempo
problem. I was expecting Christmas Song and was excited when Dave took
the stage alone, but the song was quiet enough where I could hear all the
children chattering around me. They were content having heard their two
songs (everyone probably knows which ones I'm talking about) and wouldn't
indulge me by shutting up while Dave sang solo with his acoustic. In
fact, one guy standing behind me tapped me on the shoulder several times
to tell me "nice execution". I knew it was a nice execution, except this
SOB was pissing me off, which made the song less enjoyable. Anyhow, DMB
WAS GREAT OVERALL. I knew I should of written Carter in for Senator
instead of myself (well, if would of if he was from Georgia).
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Boyd/Dmb fan name
gap3s@faraday.clas.virginia.edu Mon Nov 14 22:56:11 1994
Hello all,
First of all, Scott Miller awhile back asked about Boyd getting
married. I will share what I know (which, not surprisingly,
is minimal) I think it was a show that I saw the summer of
'92, tuesday at Trax as usual. At that time I was going for
the most part to see Boyd, after enjoying the Boyd Tinsley
Band and Down Boy Down, and had not yet come to worship
Dave as I do now. Anyway, I was very disappointed to learn that
he wasn't going to be there as he was getting married. I
am not altogether certain he was even a regular member of
the band come to think of it (though perhaps he had just
started) Regardless throughout the night Dave made references
to what exactly Boyd was doing at that very moment. I am
not certain what his euphamisms were but you get the point.
Anyway, just thought I would share the memory. Anyone out
there remember the show perchance? (or even better, have
a tape!?)
that we come up with a name for ourselves. I got several
responses and if anyone still has any idea please pass
them along to me (gap3s@faraday.clas.virgina.edu) and maybe
we can come to a consensus. What do you need to ratify something
on the net? 2/3? Anyway, I would love anyone's ideas,
anything but daveheads. If I get a few more, perhaps
I will post all the ideas, if there is interest.
shows? Especially any details about the show in Atlanta that
was just mentioned. It would be greatly appreciated.
for now.
Thanks for your patience,
Greg
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a Big Mac is a Big Mac, but it's le Big Mac
JPETERS@CENTER.COLGATE.EDU Mon Nov 14 23:31:20 1994
Davedom with a few particular tunes on them. does anyone out there have
anything with Dave's cover of Tangerine on it? I'm also looking for
Drive-in-drive-out. If you have both of these on one tape or just one of the
two, please let me know. I'd love to trade up. I'll crank out a copy of any
of the shows from Nantucket this August (nice, low gen sound quality of
kick-ass shows), NYE from last year, the show they took the recordings of
Watchtower and Halloween on Recently from (I think it's 2-22-94) or anything
else I've got access to. I hope someone can help me out.
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treesssssssss
RPPRISIN@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU Mon Nov 14 23:36:58 1994
hey everybody.... just curious about all the trees..
there was one started awhiel ago for 5-27-93 and i haven't heard anything since
5-28-93 was jsu tcurious if it was still growing......:)
thanks for the time.....
rich
the wizard is in the corner catching peanuts with his teeth.....
the wizard is in the corner catching lizards between their knees,
the dog is long gone
and somewhere the pitcher is on the winning team.....
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The band in early forms....
cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Tue Nov 15 00:34:26 1994
Reading recent posts about boyd's marriage, I thought of my first dave
experience and thought of a few questions...
I had the pleasure of seeing dave for the first time in October of 91
when I went to visit UVa as a perspective. They played at the same
ampitheatre and it was a post-grad party, so us under 21 year olds had to
sit on the little wall/railing and watch (for free :-) They played on a
crappy little PA (each speaker, only 2, were about 1.5X2.5 ft). I have no
idea what they played but Watchtower, because I remember my friend
telling me they did a stellar cover of it before the show. When we got
there, he was psyched because the Saxophonist and violinist (ie Leroi and
Boyd) had joined him, which didn't always happed he said. Anyways, to cut
to the chase...
Anyone know more info about when Leroi/Boyd became permanent and anyone
got any pre-leroi boyd tapes or any 91/early 92...
Anyone got any other stories on ancient dave???
Kud I have Ben an e 1 other than me....
Ahh its too late to be procrastinating....
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okey dokey folks
chobbs@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Tue Nov 15 01:36:20 1994
this whole friends on the net thing is makin me grin
how can is say it
most of the people that ive gotten really close with over the past year
or so are some how realted to this net
its not a cligue
its cozy blanket
of people who seem to share the liking of this groovy DAMABA thingy
and one of us meets someone and introuduces the friendly smiler all around
and we babble in the friendly gettin to know ya way
and then its like
HEY YOU SPEAK THE LANGUAGE not a wierd language .. just the kindness
language too
and we all start to play
but this is an infinite playground
so all are welcome
when i post my mind and end it with "spoons" or "huggs" or love and all
im not writing for just the friendly faces i know
i am writing to all of you wh take the time to read it and maybe think
about it ...
since when did it hurt to make another friend?? i dunno ..but i can think
of lots of times it helps
this playground is expansive .. but the play interactive .. get to know
eachother however we can and feel that much more comfy saying what youve
got to say
now
smile folks
itll light up your soul
catherine
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Dave in Santa Cruz and San Fran?
malachi@leland.Stanford.EDU Tue Nov 15 04:36:47 1994
everything tour dates posted on this list included them playing with DMB
on Dec. 1 in Santa Cruz and Dec. 4 in San Francisco, but the DMB tour
have not even mentioned the possibility of these shows (the dates aren't
even set off as tentative). I already have my tickets for their shows
with Phish on the 2nd and 3rd, but I really want to see them headline,
with Dave in concert). Plus, my idea of a dream come true would be a
four-day weekend seeing DMB every night in small venues amongst people
who don't know the band very well... So, if you know absolutely ANYTHING
about these shows, please, PlEaSe, PLEASE let me know!
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Phish 10/26 and 10/27
djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us Tue Nov 15 04:59:52 1994
This obviously is the wrong group for this, but I really want tapes of
the phish shows from boone and charlottesville. I've got some unique
phish and dave masters that I'd trade for it, including the master to
friday's show at wait chapel that is about to get tree'd. Anyone on
here tape em?
Dan
--
Daniel J. Blanchat | Always retain some control over your actions, for
djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us | when you react by instinct alone, you become as
Dave Matthews FAQ Type | the demons that wish to become you. - Me
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Re: mosaic & world wide web
btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu Tue Nov 15 10:02:43 1994
Sorry to repeat this question, but I just discovered that I have access to
Mosaic and the World Wide Web so if someone could repost the home page
address (is that what you call it?) I would appreciate it greatly.
Dan Entin
-Ben
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7 Oceans...
mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu Tue Nov 15 10:17:14 1994
( if you want a deep experience,ingest some magic fungus as a rite or
"Smile at the Rising Sun..."
Forget what the lawbooks say is Right and Wrong.
Anything that grows in the wild on this planet can't be "told" to stop
growing...so why should we?
GROW.EXPERIMENT.EXPERIENCE.
(but beware of trippin' billies!)
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poems
tpalvino@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Tue Nov 15 10:48:19 1994
The winner of the poem contest will be posted tomorrow-- until then keep
that prose coming..
(if you missed my other post.. send my a short (10 lines) poem on why you
like dave so much.. the winner can pick a tape off my list)
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help
7WEILL_M@spcvxa.spc.edu Tue Nov 15 10:53:41 1994
I need list processors address!!!!!
Michael W --- 7weill_m@spcvxa.spc.edu
thanks!!
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AFM lyrics
gsp2m@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu Tue Nov 15 10:57:37 1994
Hey. Just thought I'd provide a touch-up of those Angel From Montgomery
lyrics posted here recently...
the verses are more like...
I am an old woman, named after my mother
My old man's another, child that's grown old
If dreams were thunder, lightning desire
This old house would've burned down, a long time ago
chorus
When I was a young girl, I had me a cowboy
He wa'nt much to look at, just a free ramblin' man
But that was a long time, and no matter how I try
These old dreams seem to go by, like a broken-down dam
chorus
Flies in the kitchen, I can hear 'em a-buzzin
Lord I ain't done nothin, since I woke up today
How the hell can a person, go to work in the morning
Come home in the evening and have nothin' to say.
chorus
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11/13/94 seed
KOLIVER1@UA1VM.UA.EDU Tue Nov 15 11:00:37 1994
Among the more popular requests for the lex and wait shows, If anyone can
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Lost some mail, need help!!!!
akinscj0@sewanee.edu Tue Nov 15 11:04:21 1994
Last night we had major problems with our server here at Sewanee. All
messages sent to either me or Justin last night have been eaten by this
terrible new server that are trying to configure here. If you sent us
something last night, please resend it sometime today and if anyone has a
copy of last night's digest, I would love to have someone forward it to me.
Thanks a lot!!! Sorry to cluter.
Jen
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and
stick together." --Robert Fulghum
"Lost in the arms of morpheous -- that somnambulistic state of glorious
oblivion......" --my daddy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jennie Akins
SPO 1117
735 University Avenue
Sewanee, TN 37383-1000
akinscj0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
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Irving Plaza Tree?
eam4@acpub.duke.edu Tue Nov 15 12:20:21 1994
Hey! Since we've been talking so much about setting up trees for the
past couple of shows, how about setting up a tree for last week's Irving
Plaza show? It seems to be a show that a lot of people would like. If
someone can provide me with a seed, I wouldn't mind setting it up.
Please get back to me if you're interested. Thanks-
-Eric
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Re: Angel lyrics
IBASSIN@WESLEYAN.BITNET Tue Nov 15 12:30:17 1994
I am an old woman
Named after my mother
Old man's another child thats grown old
if dreams were lightening and thunder was desire
this whole house would have burned down
a long time ago.
Just a possible correction, Ian
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request info
TDWALSH@amherst.edu Tue Nov 15 12:36:51 1994
Hi,
Tim
tdwalsh@amherst.edu
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Wait Chapel and damage?
alberbc4@wfu.edu Tue Nov 15 12:47:03 1994
This is for all to hear, but in particular goes out to whomever it was
(dan b, I think) who warned us about the no smoking decree for last
friday's show at Wait Chapel. I can understand the worries of the anal
wake forest people about smoking and anarchy, especially in light of the
Widespread Panic scene (which i thought was great). But,,,,,, I can't
fathom that $80,000 in damage was inflicted upon the Chapel after
Widespread. I can see some burn holes in the carpet maybe, or a mess in
the bathrooms, but, EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!??? I'd like to know where
(you) got this figure and specifically what damage was done. From what I
saw there weren't any big prob's w/ the widespread show and the
stringency at dave's show was an overreaction - but maybe I'm wrong.
enlighten me. curious.
Brian
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Radio Song...
driver8@phy.duke.edu Tue Nov 15 13:02:58 1994
I've heard that dave does some pretty kickin' R.E.M. covers - has anyone
actually heard any of these or have them on tape (the tip comes from a
friend of mine at UVa who used to go watch him at Trax on a regular
basis in his early days) If so I'd really like to trade for some.
sean
ps - I just heard Ants on the radio - this scares me.
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Re: Wait Chapel and damage?
djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us Tue Nov 15 13:03:09 1994
This is for all to hear, but in particular goes out to whomever it was
(dan b, I think) who warned us about the no smoking decree for last
friday's show at Wait Chapel. I can understand the worries of the anal
wake forest people about smoking and anarchy, especially in light of the
Widespread Panic scene (which i thought was great). But,,,,,, I can't
fathom that $80,000 in damage was inflicted upon the Chapel after
Widespread. I can see some burn holes in the carpet maybe, or a mess in
the bathrooms, but, EIGHTY THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!??? I'd like to know where
(you) got this figure and specifically what damage was done. From what I
saw there weren't any big prob's w/ the widespread show and the
stringency at dave's show was an overreaction - but maybe I'm wrong.
enlighten me. curious.
Brian
There definitely were big problems at widespread, though I slipped a
decimal point in damage estimate ($8,000 instead of $80,000). But the
Widespread show was the reason why the DMB show was the last ever for
wait chapel. The only damage done at the dmb show was a tremendous
amount of vomit under the seats...people over did it before the show
rather than slowly drinking all night long...
--
Daniel J. Blanchat | Always retain some control over your actions, for
djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us | when you react by instinct alone, you become as
Dave Matthews FAQ Type | the demons that wish to become you. - Me
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radio show in durham?
driver8@phy.duke.edu Tue Nov 15 13:28:36 1994
I just heard that Dave will be broadcasting something from 7-9 am sat on
a Durham, NC country station KIX 94.1 does anyone know anything about
this?
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Re: MINARETS digest 351
akinscj0@sewanee.edu Tue Nov 15 13:53:59 1994
Is DMB really going to be in Atlanta? Please if anyone gets any info of
the poosible 12/27 show PLEASE SEND IT ON TO ME!!!!!!!!!!
Jen
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"When you go out into the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands, and
stick together." --Robert Fulghum
"Lost in the arms of morpheous -- that somnambulistic state of glorious
oblivion......" --my daddy
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jennie Akins
SPO 1117
735 University Avenue
Sewanee, TN 37383-1000
akinscj0@seraph1.sewanee.edu
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Thanks and love
jgraves@world.std.com Tue Nov 15 14:20:21 1994
Hi all!
I just wanted to thank everybody for reacting so positively to the whole
exclusivity issue.
I was hoping that you all would react precisely as you did, telling me I
was wrong and welcoming any and all new folks involved in this here net
to add their opinions to the general melee-o-good-feelings that is Minarets.
Your positivity is overwhelming, and someday I hope to put some faces to
the names.
peace, love, and good listening,
jerm
\ Jeremy C. Graves [jgraves@world.std.com] Cambridge, Massachusetts /
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blue water
AHENNE@drew.edu Tue Nov 15 14:38:55 1994
i just heard my first "blue water," from 5-26-92 (thanks Greg! your tapes
are on the way.) what a song! i love finding out more and more about
this band, and these great unreleased songs. it's a process of discovery
that makes the end result so much more exciting than if i'd just picked
it up down at tower records. what a band...
paranoid, i'm not resentful of your bond. i'm glad for you that you're so
tight like that, and someday i hope to meet you folks. keep spooning.
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Indy show
SAKUNZ@MIAVX1.BITNET Tue Nov 15 14:56:48 1994
Hadn't seen any posts as of yet about the Indianapolis show last night at the
Vogue Theater, so I thought I'd add my .02. Maybe there weren't any posts
because there weren't any netters there, but who knows. First of all, Dave is
really sick!!!! I envy the F**k out of the guy for even playing a show in his
condition. It took him until Jimi Thing (about 1.3 hours into the show) to
start moving around like he usually does, and even then, it was pretty
restrained. The others in the band helped pick up the slack, especially
Stephan and Leroi. BOyd played pretty well too. Highlights were Jimi Thing
(about 13 minutes) and the Minarets encore with Rusted Root. There were 11
people on stage for this encore!!! They really jammed this tune hard. The
crowd at the show was extremely better than the last time I saw them in CHicago
on 10/28. Maybe that was becasue this place was over 21 only (not that there
aren't some very cool DMB fans underage, but...). The Vogue Theater where they
played was really cool and intimate, but beers were too pricey at 2.50 for a
can of freaking Miller Lite, but I was driving, so that didn't matter too much.
Really cool area that the theater was in, with lots of cool bars and pool
halls. Rusted Root was really good as always, and Boyd came out to jam with
them for a song (I can't remember which one). Like I said, Dave is really
sick, and this affected the show, which was still awesome. He needs the 3 days
of rest he SHOULD be getting before his next show. Later on,
Steve
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Boone show
fhouse@vt.edu Tue Nov 15 15:13:47 1994
out to me about the Boone show... At one point during #36 Dave sings the
Bet you never heard that one before! Unless of course he always says that
and I'm wasting everyone's time.... Later,
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eyriccc0@sewanee.edu Tue Nov 15 16:07:22 1994
I just saw the Dave Matthews Band in Knoxville, and i hate to say that they
just were not that good. i have been playing guitar for three years pretty
seriously, and have been in a few pretty good bands, and i just dont think
dave is that good of a player. he plays in chords that i dont recognize,
chords that dont even exist in the books and magazines that i learned from.
He looks like he's gay, and also on drugs, and boyd and steffan just stand
there, this band has no stage presence!!!!!! Whats the big deal with
them!!!! dave is just a bad impression of cat stevens or van morrison.
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Re: MINARETS digest 351
pfollow@unix.cc.emory.edu Tue Nov 15 16:08:54 1994
Jennie,
so here is my reply to your message via minaret net. Now everyone will
know my shocking personal bio below.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Jen,
is about two hours south of Atlanta. I have a lot of family up here in
Hotlanta, (my mother grew up for the most part here) so it's like my
second hometown. I don't know anything yet about a Decmber 27th show,
I've only read rumors on the net. If such a show does occur, I'll do
anything to get tickets. I would love to meet you if this show does
happen. The 27th is my parents 25th anniversary, so maybe I'll bring
them to DMB (well, I'm not completely serious, but it would be a unique
anniversary celebration).
high-school there. Do you know Michael Jarrett, Diane O'Brian, Dan
Hunter, Chandler Collins, Matt Koren, Andrew Nix, or Chris Cairnes? Just
curious.....(I don't know Andrew, but I know his mother).
they play Dec. 27, I think this will be the best X-mas break ever!!!
Thanks for getting in touch. Talk to you later.
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Re: your mail
btanen@netspace.students.brown.edu Tue Nov 15 16:17:01 1994
I just saw the Dave Matthews Band in Knoxville, and i hate to say that they
just were not that good. i have been playing guitar for three years pretty
seriously, and have been in a few pretty good bands, and i just dont think
dave is that good of a player. he plays in chords that i dont recognize,
chords that dont even exist in the books and magazines that i learned from.
Yeah, Dave is original and it pisses me off too!
He looks like he's gay, and also on drugs, and boyd and steffan just stand
there, this band has no stage presence!!!!!! Whats the big deal with
them!!!! dave is just a bad impression of cat stevens or van morrison.
Hmm.
-Ben
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Re: your mail
djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us Tue Nov 15 16:26:52 1994
What we have here kiddies is called flame bait. I'm going to assume
he's being serious, and respond this time...
I just saw the Dave Matthews Band in Knoxville, and i hate to say that they
just were not that good.
If you're basing your opinion of the dave matthews band solely on a
show where the guys in the band are sick, I suggest you listen to a
tape or two, or to any of their CDs.
i have been playing guitar for three years pretty
seriously, and have been in a few pretty good bands, and i just dont think
dave is that good of a player. he plays in chords that i dont recognize,
chords that dont even exist in the books and magazines that i
learned from.
And obviously, if YOU'VE never seen anyone play a chord, it must be
the wrong chord. Rather than trying to recognize the chords first
time you listen to a band, why don't you listen to the music? Dave is
one of the best rhythm guitar players currently playing, for this very
reason. He doesn't stick with the power chords or the folky chords.
He's an innovator, playing the music that's in his head. It's not
just simple chords out in front.
He looks like he's gay, and also on drugs, and boyd and steffan just stand
there, this band has no stage presence!!!!!!
Maybe this has something to do with the fact that he's been sick for a
week and been on the road? I know there is no excuse for not giving
it your all, but sometimes you have to sympathize.
Whats the big deal with
them!!!! dave is just a bad impression of cat stevens or van morrison.
I just suggest that if you are truly interested in finding out what
the deal is with this band, you give them another shot. If not, I'm
sure someone else will appreciate the tickets...
Dan
--
Daniel J. Blanchat | Always retain some control over your actions, for
djb@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us | when you react by instinct alone, you become as
Dave Matthews FAQ Type | the demons that wish to become you. - Me
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T A P E S
bricker@acme.highpoint.edu Tue Nov 15 17:25:00 1994
hey, i just wanted to say a quick thank you to dan for hooking us up with
the tape(s) thursday, alyson and jill will be back on the net in a while. i
have to eat and go to class, but they have my pw, is that a mistake? i hope
not. anyway thanks man
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Re: your mail
malachi@leland.Stanford.EDU Tue Nov 15 17:33:39 1994
I just saw the Dave Matthews Band in Knoxville, and i hate to say that they
just were not that good. i have been playing guitar for three years pretty
seriously, and have been in a few pretty good bands, and i just dont think
dave is that good of a player. he plays in chords that i dont recognize,
chords that dont even exist in the books and magazines that i learned from.
He looks like he's gay, and also on drugs, and boyd and steffan just stand
there, this band has no stage presence!!!!!! Whats the big deal with
them!!!! dave is just a bad impression of cat stevens or van morrison.
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d.c show in december
saf1@acpub.duke.edu Tue Nov 15 17:33:50 1994
i have been reading about a possible dmb show in washington dc on
december 30? is this true. if anyone knows specifics, such as the
venue, date that tickets go on sale, etc..., please email me directly. I
would also like to trade at that show if possible.
Also, does anyone have a tape of the Hammerjacks show in Baltimore from
this summer(the specific date of that show eludes me but I believe it was
July 27,1994).
Thanks. dmb rules.
sandy
I love clare and so does johnfro!!!!
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Re: your mail
allgood@umich.edu Tue Nov 15 17:44:43 1994
Are you some kinda idiot or something. Great opinion, where the fuck is
sewanee? Hey if you don't like them, then get of the net. This is not
really the place to criticise h im. Why would you even get on this in
the first place, let alone venture an opinion like that? I hope that you
like all the mail that you will receive on this one. To everyone else on
the net, sorry, I just felt the need to say something before everyone
else does. One last thing to Courtland, if you don't like the DMB then,
it's easy, don't listen to them. See ya.
I just saw the Dave Matthews Band in Knoxville, and i hate to say that they
just were not that good. i have been playing guitar for three years pretty
seriously, and have been in a few pretty good bands, and i just dont think
dave is that good of a player. he plays in chords that i dont recognize,
chords that dont even exist in the books and magazines that i learned from.
He looks like he's gay, and also on drugs, and boyd and steffan just stand
there, this band has no stage presence!!!!!! Whats the big deal with
them!!!! dave is just a bad impression of cat stevens or van morrison.
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flame? oh noooooo.....
RPPRISIN@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU Tue Nov 15 17:50:46 1994
I just saw the Dave Matthews Band in Knoxville, and i hate to say that they
just were not that good. i have been playing guitar for three years pretty
seriously, and have been in a few pretty good bands, and i just dont think
dave is that good of a player. he plays in chords that i dont recognize,
chords that dont even exist in the books and magazines that i learned from.
the reason you haven't seen the chords is becuase they do not appear in
beginner books that most not all people learn from... it is ver posssible too
that your knowledge as a guitar player is limited since you have only been
playing three years...... i don't mean to put you on the spot... and i didn't
mean to post this to the whole net but the fact that you don't know a chord
dave plays doesn't mean he is a bad guitar player..... pick up a copy of the
tab file figure somesongs out....sing them at the same time then get back to
us...... sorry if i wastd time and i am being mean but the above statement
He looks like he's gay, and also on drugs, and boyd and steffan just stand
there, this band has no stage presence!!!!!! Whats the big deal with
them!!!! dave is just a bad impression of cat stevens or van morrison.
who cares if he is gay? or on drugs? stage presence? did you notice the guy
playing the violin? or the guy playing the guitar?
sorry to do this but it bugged me.......
i didn't mean or want this to turn into a flame fest..... if you respond
respond to me personally......
i apologize
kinda.....
rich
"One should hold fast one's heart; for when one letteth it go, how
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D I G E S T S
bricker@acme.highpoint.edu Tue Nov 15 18:06:01 1994
hey, why does it take so long for the digests to come to my e-mail? someone
write me something, i'm lonely
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Not fair!!!
cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Tue Nov 15 18:06:00 1994
Stephan and Leroi. BOyd played pretty well too. Highlights were Jimi Thing
(about 13 minutes) and the Minarets encore with Rusted Root. There were 11
NOT FAIR!!!!!!
I saw the RR/DMB combo show twice (Lex and Wake) and was not fortunate
enough to see any RR members on stage for an encore.
WOW!! HOw did all that percussion sound on minarets??
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Sleep..
mus4rlm@cabell.vcu.edu Tue Nov 15 18:11:55 1994
but i really think a flame was the intention....
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Just had to get one in...
cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Tue Nov 15 18:12:12 1994
seriously, and have been in a few pretty good bands, and i just dont think
Where are your 3 cds and loyal fans with numerous bootlegs...
there, this band has no stage presence!!!!!! Whats the big deal with
Mybe dave & co can dress up like Motley Crue or Winger in tight leather
and have a large skull and a small replica of Stonehenge on their stage...
P.S. go rent Spinal Tap...
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Re: your mail
@mwbbmsg.attmail.com:rie!4399 Tue Nov 15 18:43:48 1994
////////
I just saw the Dave Matthews Band in Knoxville, and i hate to say that they
just were not that good.
////////
i respect the fact that not everyone is going to get Dave's music...not
everyone likes black licorice, either.
/////////
he plays in chords that i dont recognize,
chords that dont even exist in the books and magazines that i learned from.
/////////
i find it funny that you state your point this way. god help us all if the
only musical expression allowed is the kind that is scripted and set out in
"how to play the guitar in ten easy lessons" books. come on, how much guitar
have you learned by now? are you telling us that you never tried anything
different? jimi hendrix broke every rule on the books in the late 60s and
i can assure you that no guitar book told him how to do it.
have you ever heard of a triad in the third inverted position? if not, then i
would guess you missed the first and secon position as well. basically
inverted triads are a way of taking the the three notes that make up a
chord and moving them through a total of four positions (triad, 1st inversion,
2nd inversion, and third inversion); same three notes, four interesting
effects. bob weir of the grateful dead is one of the greatest at this. he
takes a song like "fire on the mountain" with a basic rhythm of two
chords, and through the creative use of inverted triads, makes the music
really come alive. get the 'guitar player's handbook" and look up "triads" in
the index. you'll learn a lot.
the other thing dave does is alternative tuninings, so he may very well be
playing a chord you knopw an love, but has to position his fingers differently
to compensate for the varying notes to which the five strings are tuned.
again, if you are really into learning guitar, this is an excellent technique
to work on. stephen stills is known for this.
/////////
He looks like he's gay,
/////////
you sound awfully closed minded. since when did the race, religion, gender,
sexual oreintation, etc. of any one person reflect on the musical integrity of
the group as a whole? do you really care whether a a songwriter is black or
white, male or female, gay or straight. i noted that you are dismissing him
simply because he "looks" gay. the absurdity and immaturity of this comment
amazes me.
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shhhhh. . .
BLBLALOC@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU Tue Nov 15 19:03:53 1994
ummm, guys, before you get started--
try to remember this is the user FRIENDLY net, ok? no flames please.
if someone offers criticism with a supported argument, then by all means
debates reign freely. no personal attacks. no questionable objections raised
about a member's sexuality. no one talking about anyone's mother. alright
children, you may proceed.
I just saw the Dave Matthews Band in Knoxville, and i hate to say that they
just were not that good. i have been playing guitar for three years pretty
seriously, and have been in a few pretty good bands, and i just dont think
dave is that good of a player. he plays in chords that i dont recognize,
chords that dont even exist in the books and magazines that i learned from.
He looks like he's gay, and also on drugs, and boyd and steffan just stand
there, this band has no stage presence!!!!!! Whats the big deal with
them!!!! dave is just a bad impression of cat stevens or van morrison.
and you, music lover, it's probably not a good idea to insult a band on their
own net surrounded by their own fans, and NOT OFFER ANY SUPPORT for your
argument. just a word of advice from your friendly neighborhood camp
counselor. :)
"i've never seen the cord, therefore it sucks."
does not appear to be a sound argument.
"he looks like he's gay, and also on drugs."
ummm...what?
i'm not confident that you can place a burden of proof on subjective empirical
by the way, i LIKE cat stevens and van morrison. :)
ummm, den mother, can't you make these people behave?
brian.
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Lyrics file
bricker@acme.highpoint.edu Tue Nov 15 19:13:02 1994
montgomery, dangerous hours, spotlight, etc.
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d i g e s t s
bricker@acme.highpoint.edu Tue Nov 15 19:17:06 1994
hi everyone
setting minarets mail digest everytime i come on the computer or what am i
to do? thank you -so much to say-
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angel lyrics...
STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU Tue Nov 15 19:55:42 1994
to the people who are completely in the know about angel lyrics, i
missed the digest where they were originally posted completely. if
someone could send me those lyrics in the entirety i can get started
adding some covers to the lyrics.file. it was at least 2 months ago
when we all agreed that they should be there, and i still haven't
gotten around to it, so your help would be appreciated.
i have the maker and this will be angel, and if anyone would like to
transcribe me & julio, tangerine etc, etc, go right ahead. please,
if you do so, and feel like posting, more power to you, but send a
copy directly to me. editing digests can be a tedious effort for me,
not to mention the fact that by the time i get to the end of a digest
i usually forget everything the digest had in it that was particularly
14 other things to say, too....")
that kinda looks like one helluva a weird smiley....
")
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"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________
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Minarets in Indy
SAKUNZ@MIAVX1.BITNET Tue Nov 15 19:57:15 1994
In response to I think it was Sir BUford's question about the DMB, RR combo in
Indianapolis on Monday night, yea it was incredible. Of the 11 people on
stage, if memory serves me right, there were only 4 people that weren't playing
percussion instruments. It was pretty much dizzying, the array of sounds being
produced. I was in shock of how awesome it sounded. Hmm, do you think I liked
it??? Its too bad they didn't join up more often. Did they do it at all
during any of the other shows they did together or was it just done since RR
won't be performing anymore on this leg of touring with DMB??? Quite lucky I
was then to see it, eh??
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No DMB content
SAKUNZ@MIAVX1.BITNET Tue Nov 15 19:57:22 1994
Sorry to "waste bandwith" if anybody feels it, but what's one more message to
1. Rusted Root will be making their national TV appearance on the Conan O'
Brien show on Wednesday night. Yikes.
2. The Samples and Rusted Root will be playing at my gracious institution,
Miami of Ohio, on Saturday, December 3, 1994. Tix are only $10.00 and went on
sale this morning. It's a big arena, shitty sound, but hey, its close and I
don't have to drive 1.5 hours to get back.. Anybody wanting more info email me
at
sakunz@miavx1.muohio.edu
Steve
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I'm happy, guys
gt0407c@prism.gatech.edu Tue Nov 15 20:02:03 1994
Friends,
For the first time I think we have seen an individual who is actually not
brought into the world of happiness by the music-o-DAMABA. This really is
a shame. I don't want to slam the individual who basically slammed dave, cause
then I'd be portrayed as less of a happy person, and I'll leave it to the
dude at sewanee to remain miserable.
I can honestly say that I've never before heard ANYONE who actually considered
dave to be less than a great musician. Some good buddies of mine from
Nashville (who happen to rely on music as their existence) even say that
Dave is an excellent musician, and they really aren't even into his music.
I dunno, I'm happy with Dave, and I know most of you are, too. So..lets
not give this naysayer such a hard time, as a matter of fact, don't give him
any time at all...we'll all be happier if were spending less time being
negative about him, and more time being positive about Dave...and us.
Much Grass,
Shug
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Alternate tunings.....
cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Tue Nov 15 20:08:06 1994
the other thing dave does is alternative tuninings, so he may very well be
Now this has been something I have pondered but never come the the
conclusion of. I thougth there might be alternate tunings, but then I
figure it was all those funky, killer chords. I've had to tune to
different pitched for different tapes, but all are standard tuning. I've
never really notice him tune his guitar any differently on stage and I
also assume that both his guitars are in the same tune.
Maybe I've missed something all these years in my attempts to play every
dave tune....
Ben, Rick, any suggestions/comments....
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The dragon will destroy all evil.....
cbuford@liberty.uc.wlu.edu Tue Nov 15 20:13:28 1994
Jennie, thanx for the explanation
I'd tried to reply, but your mail bounces back....
To everyone else...
the dragon below will come and getcha if any more bad vibes appear
hehehe I'm so silly...
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