You STU_RCTHOMPS@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU: i guess what my last 6 or something posts have been trying to say is that dave band seems to be evolving in a direction that's different from what brough me into them in the first place. so it's time to let other people experience them for what they are and what they want to become, which in my opinion is a studio band. as a joke, dave once told me that his first major label debut was going to be titled "songs that everyone wants to hear." i think it kinda fits. dave likes appealing to people. god knows carter, leroi, and boyd do too. they know that people like their music, so they're going to play that music for those people. right on. I am a new (as of Spring 94) Daver and I know that other people may view me as one of the newbie freaks with alot of queer ideas about how DMB should be. I feel the same way about some of the Dave fans surfacing now. Yours is the first perspective that welcomes the INEVITABLE change in the Dave Matthews Band, and it is refreshing. Of course, everyone likes to have a DMB where you can mingle with the guys after the show or whatever. I've done it. It probably won't happen again, but I'm not bitter. Let Dave get big. We were THERE... -Dominic p.s. Sorry for posting AND sending, Rick, but it's about time we had a non-phlaming post... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ read. listen to dave. read. play disc. type. listen to dave. write. type. play disc. sleep. eat? talk about dave. sleep. write. read about dave. sleep. eat. listen to dave. read. sleep? repeat until what you see is human screaming from the Minarets... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dominic Sagolla '96 dsagoll1@cc.swarthmore.edu Swarthmore College dominic@raptor.swarthmore.edu sagolla@sccs.swarthmore.eduTop Permalink
If this is the wrong place/person to subscribe to I appologize to you (all).Top Permalink
I think what we all need is spooning. Everyone spoon.Top Permalink
I really don't understand these people. Ants Marching is the song that got me INTO DMB. I told that to Leroi on Friday, and he said, "Yeah, I Um... well, I'd have to say Jimi Thing is what first got me into them, but I went through an ants phase early on, but basically, I'm sick of it. I was happy there was no ants at the show just as I was equally upset there was a satellite. These two songs are simply overplayed, are on both discs, and are the type of song little 12 year old girls know the words to. Sorry to bring in another band, but when I see Phish, I don't want to see Fee, which they keep on playing (for about 7 years...), even though it was the first Phish song I heard. now do you understand 'these' (me) people? good. now lets all trade good shows and be happy. ben just another memo from the cellar, ************************************************************************** * "hold onto nothing * -- Ben Sterling -- * * as fast as you can" * -- Nebuious@aol.com -- * * -Tori Amos * -- New York, NY -- * **************************************************************************Top Permalink
we need lots of spooning. we can do a big spoon wall.. dont' you think? eh boofy? blake's got my spoons.. anyone else wanna spoon with us? 'we'll see how brave you are.. we'll see how fast you'll be running...' ******************************************************************************* we should have eachother to tea... we should have eachother with cream... then cuddle up by the fire, and sleep for awhile, it's the grooviest thing, it's the perfect dream.... thecure.... ********************************************************************************Top Permalink
I apologize now if I'm angering anyone with this message. Today I calles the number on the tour schedule for the Boston Avalon Ballroom Show.After three Long-Distance phone calls I was directed to ticketmaster only to find out the show was sold out.This suprised me Because I hadn't heard of this on the net, and I didn't think DMB had a following in Boston that would sell out a venue in advance.ALthough I am clueless as to how big the Avalon is it still shocked me that tickets would sell out at $17. If anyone could give me some sort of explanation for this it would be appreciated. *If anyone has an extra ticket for this show I would love to work something out.(i.e. trade,cash,whatever) Damn you,Big city!Top Permalink
Hello Fellow DMB fans, of the letters I was reading. First of all, let's think here. If there never was a Dave Matthews Band, none of us would be here. I think everyone agrees, that Dmb is on hell of a talented group. Yes, even Boyde. Mr. Matthews is a very gifted musician, and a song writer. If, you disagree, please respond to me, and explain why. Since I ever first heard the band, I was amazed at their diversity, and talent. As a musician myself, I look at their work and often ask the level the Dead and Phish are at, but it will come around all in good time. Im sure when the Dead and Phish started playing, the to had repetitive set lists for some period of time. Plus you must keep in mind Dave has been awfully busy lately, agree?? I mean give the guy some credit. Look how far he's come in the past few years. Now that they finally have their shit together, their even more amazing to listen to.Top Permalink
Many, many apologies for my ignorance, but . . . Please give me the necessary info for subscribing to the Dave Matthews Band network---thanx---Dave Is this something different than what I'm already doing?Top Permalink
"A sophomore from Roanoke College was arrested Tuesday for marijuana possession at the Dave Matthews Band concert in the Amphitheatre. University Police arrested the student at 8"17 p.m., only a few minutes after the band had started playing. END MARIJUANA PROHIBITION!!! yeah right... this is so lame...don't they have anything better to do than mess with some poor kid with joint? DMB should tour in support of NORML. Just wanted to make sure that everyone is registered to vote. It's gonna be a hot topic and the only way to see justice prevail is to get in there and be counted!! MTop Permalink
Just got back from tonights show at Club Soda here in Montreal. My hopes for a small intimate show with few in attendance were shattered by a loud crowd that would have put the Bayou to shame. The music, though, was excellent. We heard the new Just For Tonight version (has this been played yet?). LeRoi did a very nice flute solo in Typical Situation. Stephan was dropping bombs all night, I've never heard him so loud and good. Dave finally got so angry at the crowd that he told the meatheads to "go the fu*k home." Anyway, the band was tight and the music was smokin! I got to sit on the stage and avoided the crush. Hope to see you guys in Boston on Saturday. Kwon "You can tune a guitar, but you can't tune a fish"Top Permalink
I am presently scanning in some b+W pics from Toads the other night(the color scanner here has to be reserved, and I dont have time for it till next week) so I was wondering, how do I put them in the WWW or the Brown.students archive. them along the info highway to a special site? Please let me know. Later, MikeTop Permalink
does anybody out there know of big head todd shows scheduled for the Richmond, Raliegh, Baltimore, Washington area? If you have any dates or information how I could find them out I would be much appreciative. Thanks for your support. Also, how's the new album, "strategem" I'd like to hear about it. Peace.Top Permalink
Sure, I'd be happy to do that. Also, anyone with pictures who would like them scanned in, I've got access to quite a few nice scanners and would be more than happy to spend the time. JohnTop Permalink
I just talked to Daves press agent, and she informed me that the DMB have had a phenominal week of sales. There debut album, is debuting at #34 (if that aint a reason to bring it back, I dont know what is) on the billboard charts after selling 32,000 copies. Just thought youd all be interested. Later, MikeTop Permalink
i thought to lighten everyone up we could have some fun.... how about we see how many things dave could have been.. you know like a parking lot attendant etc.... lets start a list here are the two easy ones a parking lot attendant his little brother... have fun.. richTop Permalink
lets start a list a parking lot attendant his little brother... doctor, spread the good aroundTop Permalink
I just got a tape of the Floodzone R2T record release party where Dave Covers Tangerine and Redemption Song. Is this the only time he did these? Did he include random covers when he used to do his solo bit every tues and Wed at Trax/Floodzone? Does anyone have a listing of what these included? Just curious. Also, how much of Stairway did he play with Tim at the Birchmere this summer (Danny- do you have tapes of that show?) -IanTop Permalink
lets start a list a parking lot attendant his little brother... doctor, spread the good around waiting at your doorstep your little sister... brian.Top Permalink
Spoons to all and to all a good nite... Especially Clare and the two K/Catharines P.s. we might need to distinguish between Catherine and Katharine who both go to school here.... *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* |Chris "Boofy" Buford '96 | |cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu P.O.Box 322 | |Washington and Lee University Lexington, Va. 24450 | | | | it won't give up it wants me dead | | goddamn this noise inside my head nin | | | | _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ | | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | | _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ | | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | | _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ | | | |v3.3 | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*Top Permalink
alright man, i'm glad to hear that someone out there is finally using their head instead of just going along with the flow. It is true that Dave has no improv skills...as of yet. He does need to get some new songs or maybe some chill covers---I could see some Dylan ballads or Neil Young stuff as being within Dave's realm. As for the rest of the band--they kick ass and could do almost anything...i mean, everything. If ya talk to Dave any time soon, tell him to play for his true fans---the ones that got him some recognition in the first place and not for the album-buying, trend-following, ball-cap wearin' frat boys that seem to have become enamoured with him. I would go to see a D.M.B show if and only if I knew that he was starting to ply some new stuff. With 2 albums out, you normally don't expect to be able to buy one album and hear the other album as well. Normally, there is some variety. I mean I have that 1st one and some bootlegs. I don't need to buy the second album, 'cause I've heard every song on bopth albums thru the first album and 1 bootleg. And I have heard the 2nd. What was Dave thinkin'? His voice sounds like some editted milli-vanilli or something. Enough of this...My blood pressure is rising and I feel a pain in my chest... I think not...how can anyone in their right mind ever even think Dave could turn outr like those 2? number one, Dave simply doesn t have the improv skills of the latter 2 immortals. He never could and never will. Secondly, Dave has alienated the very people who could have been loyal to him for a long time. The Dead have old hippies who still attend their shows.Phish is getting that way, with some of their mid-80s crowd still around. Dave chose to go for the short-term bucks and play to the general idiots who would buy his albums. Soon, however, these people, to whom he is playing, will lose interest (probably, as soon as they graduate) and Dave will learn the err of his ways. The people he plays to now are the types that us true fans have had to deal with at Dead and Phish shows...not to mention PANIC. They come and they go, new fans pop up, then disappear. With this type of fluctuating base, how can anyone stand? Dave will never be like Phish or the Dae (fucked up again)...or the Dead. It is impossible. He will never be able to gain that loyal constituency of fans again. He wronged us once, and that was enough. enough said. P.S. Panic rocked the Grady Cole center just to spite its shitty appearence!!! See ya on the flip side.Top Permalink
hope I didnt miss this. Everyone probably knows them, but the habit on this net seems to have been post the lyrics to a new song as it gets added. Again, if its already added and I missed this part, I apoligize for the bandwidth use; lots going on here, and im lacking sleep and behind on my mail. ellis Me and Julio Watchtower -- Ellis * jeg5s@virginia.edu * POB 3240, Charlottesville,VA 22903 -- Graduate student, UVA Dept. of Sociology -- Administrator for rec.music.phish FAQ FileTop Permalink
a parking lot attendant his little brother... a policeman Va. Beach, mugged somewhere in Norfolk (while playing in Va. Beach, Norfolk area) the president with diarrea... lots of other interesting ones. peace, BlakeTop Permalink
I just talked to Daves press agent, and she informed me that the DMB have had a phenominal week of sales. There debut album, is debuting at #34 (if that aint a reason to bring it back, I dont know what is) on the billboard charts after selling 32,000 copies. whoa...this is spooky...#34??? weird...[twilight zone music starts, Rod Serling lurks in the shadows]Top Permalink
Does anybody know if the Oct 24 show in Kansas is all ages? I don't want to drive all the way out there to find out I can't get in!Top Permalink
Dave Matthews Band will be playing at the Barrymore Theatre in Madison, WI on Thursday, October 27 at 7:30 pm with special guests Rusted Root. Tickets are only $10 and are available at The Exclusive Company on State St. or charge by phone at 608.241.8633. No TicketMaster service charges here folks. The show is General Admission. The theater is an old vaudeville theatre reconditioned for live music. Shows are all ages, but they have great beer on tap. See you there.Top Permalink
Hey everyone out there under the table. I've been on the net for a while, but this is my first post. First, in response to your question Ian, before the Wathtower encore,( at the birchmere on 8/25/94) Dave was unsure about what song to play so he said he was going to play a led zep song he knew. He played it for about 10 secs. (i don't recognize the song, it was one of their country instrumentals) and the crown went nuts. His response was," Shit, I should have done that all night..." He then went into a kickin' watchtower. During the jam at the end, he started singing the "and as we wind on down the road" part...he sang a couple lines and obviously couldn't remember the rest so he just screamed. It was a classic Dave moment... because they wouldn't let us plug in to the board (Jeff tried his hardest, but it was house sound...) It is a really decent audience tape off my d-7 if anyone's interested in a trade... sorry for the long message, but this is just a classic show that people need to get a hold of... see you at the board in boston, and be nice to each other...everyone goes in the end...Top Permalink
hey anybody going up to delaware to the stone balloon for the dave show if so contact me i know a couple of bouncers and stuff might be able to hook you up or something... richTop Permalink
There is a bht show Oct. 21 at Hampden Sydney college in Farmville, Va. does anybody out there know of big head todd shows scheduled for the Richmond, Raliegh, Baltimore, Washington area? If you have any dates or information how I could find them out I would be much appreciative. Thanks for your support. Also, how's the new album, "strategem" I'd like to hear about it. Peace.Top Permalink
After looking through all of my digests I have seen So Much To Say mentioned at all.Is it still being played.Top Permalink
Hey Widespread Panic Jimi Hendrix Indigo Girls Phish I've got DMB (ofcourse), the Beatles, and Indigo Girls. Please get back to me. Rsr3078 Thanks Alix :)(:Top Permalink
what's up, dmb fans. this is my first time actually on the list so forgive me if i commit any little faux-pas. i am from new orleans so dave is hardly the most played band, but us rednecks are slowly coming around. i caught the show at raleigh, dave again kicked ass. if anyone has any bootlegs that they would not mind copying for me, just say so and i would love to send them tapes. laterTop Permalink
we DO go to school) while listening to an old personal favorite...Dave at Zollman's Pavillion (W&L) 1/30/94. This is vintage...1 show...26 song setlist...Peter! Need I say more? It was very nice to dust off the This was my first show (I was there with Katherine) and it was incredible. Most importantly getting to Buford's comment on Boyd's talent -- he mentioned 'Blue Water' and Boyd's solo -- well, one of the best 'Blue Water' renditions is on this tape (Zollman's 1/30/93 (NOT 94) sorry, Kat, it was really that long ago). Get a copy. Listen to it. And chill out. There's some good Dave-talk on it as well. People who were there can enjoy the part when Dave tells some drunken guys to get out (they were fighting or some nonsense) and for those who are familiar with Zollman's, Dave talks about the nice "farm animal atmosphere".Top Permalink
I think what we all need is spooning. Everyone spoon. Hey Clare, Buford, and Hobbs, Blake's spooning on the net!Top Permalink
Ok, how bout Caught in public in my underwear??? Oh so embarrassed??? Bartending at Millers??? WadeTop Permalink
actually, you were rather correct in the fact that he did Stairway during Watchtower, but you were in correct on the other respect. During the country jam, Dave played "Over the Hills and Far Away." WadeTop Permalink
SPOONS SPOONS!! if only the net could spoon. Yall i need some spoonin and some huggin so come on over. (blake ..did you even know what spoonin was until a week or so ago?? just checkin!) Wayland, thanks for clearing things up. I knew you said it with a smile. this net was in need of some seriously OBVIOUS GRINS for a while. and umm ithink the stuff about the Sweet home Alabama was from the other catehrine ..the KOOL KAT with a K. I've been thinking about the posts a few days back about how it sounds like Dave and band are often out of tune and all. I cant remeber who said it ..but someone thought that. Here's my musings (please keep in mind that i dont play guitar or any of the other instruments that the band uses except i played sax in like 7th grade ..but i am very musical choosess to play cords with the most difficult and spread out fingering one can imagine .. he does this to make the notes more distinct and seperated. To me, this creates a sort of internalized harshness or soreness (im talking about melody here) or atleast an intetional strain. I usually think this is cool ..it fits the feeling that i get from lots of his lyrics. What i'm wondering is .. is it possiblethat dave is tuning his guitar to a non standard key ..that the band chooses to play in keys not very familar to our ears to create the same affect (e ??) as the really difficult fingerings. i dont know ..im just wondering cause ive never payed attention to the sheet music stuff. am i way off or what?? feed puppies toothepaste ..they smell so much better afterwords! crazy ponderings , smiles and spoonin catherineTop Permalink
There seems to be an awful lot of ripping on people going on this net - why can't we all just get along? Everyone on this net shares something in common - they enjoy the music of the Dave Matthews Band. For everyone who posts a message and gets ripped on, that is one person whose opinion we may not hear again. Let's stop blaming things on the newbies, let's stop ripping on people who express their opinions, and discuss the phenomenon that is Dave, pleasantly. in my six month stint on phish.net, i saw this exact same post entirely too many times. i'm afraid. i'm very afraid. and the one missing date that blake couldn't identify on heathcliff's haiku warriors was 11-9-92. r2t cd release party, that is. i'd like this show if anyone has it. ____________________________________ "11it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
and the one missing date that blake couldn't identify on heathcliff's haiku warriors was 11-9-92. r2t cd release party, that is. i'd like this show if anyone has it. It's 11/9/93. --BenTop Permalink
please excuse my ignorance, but could some one tell me what the deal was with Dave's keyboard/piano player? I apologize if this is common knowledge, Im new and pretty clueless... thanks...Top Permalink
After looking through all of my digests I have seen So Much To Say mentioned at all.Is it still being played. Peter was too important to this song that Dave isn't too eager to play it. However, he did bring it out for a birthday present back in February, and while it would have been nice if they hadn't immediatly dropped it again, they did. Occasionally lines about central heating make it into other songs... hope I didnt miss this. Everyone probably knows them, but the habit on this net seems to have been post the lyrics to a new song as it gets added. Again, if its already added and I missed this part, I apoligize for the bandwidth use; lots going on here, and im lacking sleep and behind on my mail. I believe the habit so far has been to not include covers in the lyrics files. What surprises me are the notable abscences of Two-Step etc.... JohnTop Permalink
Hello again. Just a little message to everyone who responded/is responding to my post yesterday about the 8/25/94 birchmere tape...I will be away from my computer this weekend to go into Boston, so please be patient in awaiting your responses. If you're at the Avalon on sat., look for me at the board before/after/possibly during the show. I'll be wearing a green dartmouth hat. don't throw away yor playful beginnings...Top Permalink
Did no one else in the Charlottesville area read the cover article in the most recent C-Ville Weekly about DMB? IMHO one of the best I've read or seen reprinted on the net. It's quite lengthy and I don't think I have the time nor patience to type it to the net, but if anyone else does please do so for others. If rare andecdotal information about real early DMB and describes the music and the movement in a better way than I've ever heard or could have ever said. Dan Entin Hope to see some of you at Lehigh and Pat Center Phish! Enjoy-Top Permalink
i don't know if this is known all over or just at w&m, but spooning here can mean the original & also getting rid of your roommate for the night by putting a spoon on the door.. yes, college. the education of clear communication skills. btw, anyone out there have the infamous 'fenton's penis' show? :) brett ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brett Kingswell bmking@mail.wm.edu if God had meant for us to be naked, we would've been born that way.Top Permalink
hey, i'm planning on taping a show in the twin cities and would like someone to repost that list of stuff to bring (cords, which type? tapes, flashlight, etc...) thanks love UTTAD, especially all the songs and stuff edTop Permalink
Does anybody know if the Oct 24 show in Kansas is all ages? I don't want to drive all the way out there to find out I can't get in! alex crothersTop Permalink
Hey, I just tried this number to check age things and they told me to check the venue. Does anybody know if the Oct 24 show in Kansas is all ages? I don't want to drive all the way out there to find out I can't get in! alex crothersTop Permalink
Someone asked for a post of taping equipment, etc so here is what I suggest... 1.Tape Deck (obviously) 2.RCA cables 3.Flashlight 4.Extension cord or preferable a 6 outlet strip 5.Pen 6.Paper for setlists and trading phone #'s, addresses, etc 7.Something to carry most of the shit in. 8.Blank Tapes (more than you think you'll need) 9.Y jacks if possible. If you arrive late you can use these to split the soundboard signal so you don't get cut off by other decks.. Arrive early, like really early...You'll get a better feed, you can get yourself set up while the house ligths are still on, and it really annoys other tapers when you run in during dave's first song and try to hook up. Hang around your deck. Letting your tape run out and killing someone elses signal is the rudest thing possible. Always flip when you think its neccesary. Watch out for other peoples equipment, etc. If you take care of others, they'll take care of you. If you think someone needs to flip or needs a new tape, ask others around you what the best option is, most likely it'll be a joint effort to make sure that both you and the guy who forgot to get good tapes. Be prepared for "Hey man, did ya tape the show, can I give you my address, phone #, etc". I'd write out your address/phone # a few times and just give it to these people and tell them to get in touch with you, it makes life a lot easier. And the final, NEVER TO BE BROKEN rule of taping, you MUST listen to the show in the car on the ride home, no matter what. We call this Blake's rule hehehe Any other suggestions from tapers out there?? Enjoy and I hope everyone get s good tapes... *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* |Chris "Boofy" Buford '96 | |cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu P.O.Box 322 | |Washington and Lee University Lexington, Va. 24450 | | | | it won't give up it wants me dead | | goddamn this noise inside my head nin | | | | _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ | | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | | _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ | | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | | _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ | | | |v3.3 | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*Top Permalink
Any other suggestions from tapers out there?? you forgot an important one. Bring kind nugs for Jeff...he's good to us, be good too him. Tell him Blake sent you... concert and a member of your party posseses an audio tape of that nights performance, you MUST listen to it. Even if Clare wants to listen to 11/17/93 AGAIN...Top Permalink
hey just thought i would post what i have so far in the what dave could have been category....... i know there has to be more out there.... a parking lot attendant his little brother... a policeman Va. Beach..... mugged somewhere in Norfolk (while playing in Va. Beach, Norfolk area) the president with diarrea... your little sister.... doctor, spreading good.... wating at your door step... Caught in public in my underwear??? Bartending at Millers??? Oh so embarrassed??? thanks richTop Permalink
excuse me.. DID I NOT RELENT?!?!?! i knew the rule. i'd better after putting up with you for so long... let me just say to everyone else on netland... that the 11.17.92 show (of mine) in question... had been in mr.campbell's possession for over five months. FIVE MONTHS! i was jonesing for me and julio. kill me. but that nature------------------ happy spooning to all accomplished spooners.... spoon well. spoon often. and spoon at all available occasions. silly ole me...... ******************************************************************************* we should have eachother to tea... we should have eachother with cream... then cuddle up by the fire, and sleep for awhile, it's the grooviest thing, it's the perfect dream.... thecure.... ********************************************************************************Top Permalink
wasn't "A millionaire in Bel Aire" tossed around a lot? --BenTop Permalink
Hey all, I just came across a "alternative" music magazine distributed locally in Tampa, FL called "Focus". The magazine has the DMB on the front and a lengthy, very positive (almost too positive...) review of the band. I don't have the time to transcribe the entire article (since I type 2 wpm). But here are some excerpts that may/may not dispel a few of the on-going discussions about the band. Dave Matthews on songwriting... "(I write about) Whatever comes to mind - life, love, unhappiness and anger - and then I squeeze it all into on song. And it seems to almost make sense. Ambiguity is as much as anything else, my goal. So that people can apply it to their own lives. As a songwriter, I really don't like to say the same thing twice. I might repeat myself lyrically because I kind of have the same things (on my mind). I don't like violence and I don't like greed. And I'm greedy and I'm violent. It's the great dichotomy of being a person. I write, generally, about those things. Love and hate - they swim in a big pool together. But as the songs go, I try and change the expression. I try not to make the same changes or have the same rhythm or have the same feel or the same emotion coming out the guitar... more... But it's an obsession of mine to make music that sounds like I've heard it before. So that when people hear it who've never heard it before, boom, it goes into their heads. I think everything is just repitition in a way, of something that's happened before. Then they happen in my head. on improvisation... We have the facility to be adventurous, and it's expected from us now. It's really lucky, we get a big audience and they expect us to do weird and unusual things. on touring... "We started touring as fast as we could. Approaching schools, universities, that was sort of our plan. Trying to get gigs at fraternities and sororities. That worked really well for us in the Southeast. We broke in New York just by kids going home (and telling their friends)..." on performances... "Our performances are as energetic as we can make them. We're not halfhearted. They're pretty aggressive shows. But we're having a lot of fun, too, and that comes out. We're not screaming at our parents or angry at any particular member of the universe. We just kind of play from our hearts, with a lot of happiness, and I think that comes across. We're a pleasant bunch of freaks to watch..." on musicianship... "I had a few songs and I approached musicians I admired locally here in Charlottesville. Originally (the band) was a project for a demo of my songs. And then we started enjoying playing live. Everyone was a verteran of jazz or rock music or classical music and had years begind them already. Enough!!! That's all I care to type! If anyone wants a copy of the article I could probably xerox and fax it to you.... I think the article was written pre-UTTAD release even though it's this month's issue. The music scene is horrible here in cheezy Tampa, FL... I haven't adjusted. DMB was here in Tampa about 6 mos. ago, only about 150 people showed up. Haven't seen that small of a turn out for DMB since he played at my fraternity's party in Charlottesville in '92. Sorry for the length... JeffTop Permalink
So is anyone else out there also involved in radio? I am just wondering, because a national radio magazine put the Dave Matthews Band on its cover this! Basically the name is spread all over the whole issue and radio seems to be pretty much freaking out. The magazine is called "Gavin" and is very well known in the radio world. It is similar to Billboard in that it contains charts for numerous radio formats, based on reports from stations all over the country. The cover states, above a picture of the band "The Dave Matthews Band Radio Joins the Campaign The amazing story of rock'n'roll's most unlikely candidates for stardom" Inside is a three page interwiew with Dave in which he discusses his life, the band's history, the process of signing with RCA, and the new CD etc... The chart that would involve the band is A3 (read A cubed) which stands for Adult Album Alternative (and includs the likes of BT, Hootie & ..., The Samples, WP, R.E.M., Indigo Girls, Eric Clapton, Shawn Colvin, Eddie Brickel, get the idea) On that chart UTTAD is "The most added record by a major label debut act in the history of Gavin A3 Radio" (added means that radio station that report their song rotation to Gavin have added Dave to their current music list) Now bear in mind that A3 has only been around for 2-3 years but still... Given the other names on the chart, this seems to be a pretty amazing accomplishent. There is more info (along with the interview) that I will type and send along if I have time and if there is interest (let me know if y'all want me to) Also, one last point, I am planning on being at the Athens show on the 14th. If anyone is planning on going and taping this show please, please, please, please let me know. please. Talk to y'all later GregTop Permalink
Hey- show I have seen lately. Very small bar, I guess it could hold four hundred, but I don't think it was filled. Most of the band was hanging out during the opening band. Talked with Leroy and Dave for a bit. I would love to get a copy of this show if anyone has one. I have a number of tapes, some right off the sound board, if a trade could be made.Top Permalink
I just thought I'd share with you the complete intro to one Nancies from 3/26/94 Irving Plaza (super dooper show!)... anyway, he dedicates it to Vivian and could i have been... parking lot attendant could i have been... taxi driver and washing (confusing line... could i have been... lost in the big bad city could i have been... anyone other than me well, okay only half of it was off but still, those 2 have a THEME! The big bad NYC filled with cabs! Too bad he didn't mention Ray's Pizza. Then I would have been impressed. When any of you come to New York, go to 11th & 5th... the REAL ray's pizza. not those weird 'original ray's things... and while you're at it, come knock on my door since i live literally seconds away from it. sing and dance ben just another memo from the cellar, ************************************************************************** * "hold onto nothing * -- Ben Sterling -- * * as fast as you can" * -- Nebuious@aol.com -- * * -Tori Amos * -- New York, NY -- * **************************************************************************Top Permalink
chris.. could you get in touch with me? i've got a favor to ask you, hon... hugs and all... clah ******************************************************************************* we should have eachother to tea... we should have eachother with cream... then cuddle up by the fire, and sleep for awhile, it's the grooviest thing, it's the perfect dream.... thecure.... ********************************************************************************Top Permalink
... 'Cause we're tripping billies... --- Hi DMB Fans... This is my first attempt at using this net. Just wanted to let you all how much I LOVE DMB. A friend of mine from Auburn Univ. got me on to Da back in April. Unfortunately, judging from all the questions I get abou Dave sticker on the back window of my car, no one around here knows what --- yet. No, Dave really hasn't hit it big here in Mississippi yet. Bu prettly convinced what with the "Under the Table & Dreaming" release, pe will realize just what they've been missing! Catch you all later... Will Schaffarzick will.schaffarzick@babble.comTop Permalink
Without other more traditional diversions, I have fixated on discovering the ultimate, true lyrics to _Halloween_ (as challenged, I think, by _Halloween_ All the time she can her eyes open and staring up at me The tone of the eyes Woman gonna come Woman gonna come Woman gonna come Woman gonna come Watch man, leave it where you lie I'll come to you and {lively} I'll suck up until your mind will leave it all behind I sentence you to lonely I march up into your {life} All the time she can her eyes open and staring up at me {Wait until momma gonna Take a good look, momma, Take a good look, Hey man, watch it where you lie I come into your psyche your sleepin' - I'm in your mind filled waiting on desire I was hoping we'd be {lonely} I'll suck up into your body What do you want around here? and ask your silly FUCK Moving away Wired is lonely (3x) Wired is lonely (3x) Can't be yours I'll be yours Gotta be yours Gotta be your (3x) Lie over here. Tell me, are you Satisfied with Fucking? Don't walk away (3x) I'm talking to you Love me - Don't (3x) Loving, I'll see you Love him, I see you Love him - up to you. ***Anyone still with me? What did you think? I guess you figured out that word inside {} i'm particularly unsure of . . . "Anyone who applies herself regularly, lengthily & energetically, to a single project is certain, no matter what else happens, to encounter days of profound delight or unprecedented inspiration." --Robert Grudin, _Time and the art of living_Top Permalink
what about - "could I have been, a born-again Christian...could I have been, oh, they're all pain-in-the-asses..."Top Permalink
Hey all you out there in computerland. you probably don't know me, but that's ok. i recently subscribed to the net, more out of curiosity than anything else, and then i got this silly idea to write a story about this net and others like it. if anyone has any input, give me a yell. if not, that's ok too because you guys have so much stuff on here that i could write a good story anyway. i would especially like to know about the beginning of the net and about why people got on it, either in the beginning or now. how does everyone hear about this, and what is everyone's favorite aspect of it. thanks alot, have a good time, and i hope to hear from you soon. -diane cheshireTop Permalink
i talked about this idea a long time ago, and i've even devoted a section of the (as of yet still unavailable) faq to it. what i'd like, is for each one of these dancing nancies quotes we've seen, if you could send me the quote along with the date and location of the show you got it from, then please do. as of right now, there's only two entries in the faq, even though i've seen 10 flip through in the past two days. so send 'em my way. (and the faq _is_ forthcoming. have faith...) actually, speaking of the faq...those of you with pertinent files, please send me a note about them. even if i know who you are and what you have (blake and ben), it will make it easier for me to get the information into the file if i have a personal note from you. and one other thing, if anyone knows where that really long list of other listservs is, let me know how i can get a hold of it, and then let other people know how to get a hold of it. ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
Hi all. * DEBUT OF A NEW TUNE!!!! check. I don't think it was "Let You Down" as we heard about from John Alagia last week-- but as usual it was rather difficult to make out the words on first hearing. * Seek Up opener * Jimi Thing-- 10 minutes and 13 seconds, in case you're curious (and a nice Dave solo). * Jane song re-appears after an absence * Halloween with incredible drums Oh, that's about it. The place was ABSOLUTELY PACKED. --BenTop Permalink
So who taped last night's Boston show? I'm sure SOMEBODY has to have that sound check. Sooooo...If you have the time.. Let us know...HOW IS IT?! AND I heard a wild crazy rumor that Dave is opening for phish on the 27th? WOW!Top Permalink
Recently, the 'boyd isn't an excellent musician' debate surfaced it's ugly head once again. On one side, people say he just can't play all that well, and others say he plays just fine and besides, his charisma more than makes up for any lack of ability. I was watching a movie the other night, and an ad for backbeat was before the movie (it's going to be on video the 12th, and is a truly excellent film btw. if you can see it, do). In one blurb, McCartney is arguing with Lennon that Stu (the bass player) can't play worth shit and he doesn't know why Stu is even in the band and they should get rid of him and all this and that.. Lennon looks at McCartney, and says something to the effect of "it's not what he plays, it's HOW he plays. LOOK at him." and he truly was the image of a bass player. the coolness, the mellowness, the bluesness, the thereness was all his, and the band attracted a lot of people because he was up there. Unless it's blatant, I don't think I would honestly notice one of the guys playing off key once or twice, because I don't think my ear is that good. But, the first time I saw dave, the first time a friend in OH saw dave, and I'm sure for many the same, the boydness of the band truly blows you away. you become so lost in his appeal as an entertainer the musician part might slip a bit on your rating scale. (yes, I know after seeing them a few times and listening to their songs to no end your listening habits mature and you begin to become more selective in your hearing..) well, i'm starting down a road that's been hashed many times before, so i'll stop. but i immediately thought of dave band when i saw the clip, and thought I'd share. be good, brett ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Brett Kingswell bmking@mail.wm.edu if god had meant for us to be naked, we would've been born that way.Top Permalink
hey ben ..just thought i'd add to the part about dedicating the song to Vivian. She's probably lurking on this list somewhere ..or one of the two people who were with her are Vivian ..is Vivian Stone who goes to W&L with me and bunches of other folks. She's cool ..'nuff said. As the story was told to me he dedicated the song to her because she wasn't smiling very much. SHe had a SHIT week ... something about the flasher freak in the library here. So dave noticed it and dedicated the song to her ...after the song or after the show did he walk up to her and kiss her cheek??? Whatever ..one of them could tellthe story MUCH better ..but the gist si there. It was Dave's random act of kindness ..he jsut wanted to make her smile. kittens purring make me smile cathyTop Permalink
what's up dmb fans we're big fans at duke. we saw the raleigh show and it was good we like good things i would never call it bad we don't like bad things after the show we had scattered, smothered, covered, diced, chunked, topped, spooged on, ashed on, and hocked a loogie on we like waffle house it is good we like good things later on scrubsTop Permalink
as much as i like dmb + bht i just have tmm (too much mail)! somebody... anybody... please let me know how to unsubscribe from minarets... thank you! perrobert@aol.comTop Permalink
BBS Admin, Please unsubscribe me from your forum AT ONCE! I did not wish to subscribe, but if you read my original message, asked to subscribe another. I am a Technical Analyst here at Columbia and was trying to help out a student who was unsuccessful at attempting to subscribe. Again, LET ME OUT! - JohnTop Permalink
Hello to all DMB fans, recording. Also if anyone could tell me if the show is all ages, or not, please respond. Thank you,Top Permalink
Hey, curious. This will be my first live show with DMB and everybody knows how much it makes you feel good to have shows in your possession "with touch" as one of my kind taping buddies calls it. If a nice soul is taping it, I'd like to try to meet up pre-show and discuss a possible outlet. I know its a long ways away, but just thought I'd try.... SteveTop Permalink
Does anybody out there know the name and/or phone number of the venue in Lawrence, Kansas that DMB is playing at Oct 24? It's in the DMB newsletter, but I lost mine!Top Permalink
Hello, Is anyone going to the Athens show on the 14th??? If so, do you know anyone taping the show. Also, is this an all ages show? please respond ASAP.. THANK YOU, "An explorer he went wondering, to satisfy his pondering, basically meandering in sure of what he'd find.." B.T.Top Permalink
I think you might need to relax a little. Point 1: This isn't a BBS. This is a mailing list run via the Internet. Point 2: I can't Unsubscribe you until you ask for my help. Point 3: You're replying to a whole mailing list; one of which you sent that Point 4: To unsubscribe YOU must send the message, "unsub minarets" to Alex Crothers ------------------------------------------ Please unsubscribe me from your forum AT ONCE! I did not wish to subscribe, but if you read my original message, asked to subscribe another. I am a Technical Analyst here at Columbia and was trying to help out a student who was unsuccessful at attempting to subscribe. Again, LET ME OUT! - JohnTop Permalink
i actually have a faq, now. i just finished it, but i'm going to wait until tomorrow to post it, because i want to see if alex can set it up to be by itself in a single post. i might break it in half for the purposes of posting it. but this means that it can now go on our www homepage, but i don't know who is running that. if you could get in touch with me, please do, because alot of people are waiting to get there hands on this file, and i think we should get it there as soon as possible. once again, digestified people should be seeing the faq tuesday. undigestified people can look for it tomorrow. ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
Ok .. i said i'd do this publically .."Blake is the MAN" ..thats even sortof shouting. Out of your ever soo keen wisdom you called many (3+) of the songs for Phish on Saturday ..your abilty (for once ...) finally showed its true colors ..blahblah but ..what was this about callingthis weekends dave stuff within 3 songs andin order?? huh huh?? did you ..what did ben say new song? and return of jane song ? whaddoya say to that? I'd say its hard to wear cocky and look good. ISNT GOOD SPIRITED JEST fun? cheers blake ..and the rest of yall ..well to all goodnight (as I skip out on work for sleep.lovely lovely SLEEP!)Top Permalink
I just got back from the Providence show so pardon me if I'm a bit incoherent.(It's 3:40 a.m.) I'll have to say that this show put me right on my ass. After hearing the set from last night I was very unhappy with the first couple tunes,but after that things started to get crazy. Anyway,here's the set. Seek Up Dancing Nancies(Could I have been lost somewhere in Providence) Song that Jane Likes Satellite(Bathroom Break) Get In Line (new tune,Everyone ended up doing something) Best Of What's Around Jimi Thing (10 minutes at least) Rhyme and Reason(intense) Cry Freedom Cry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Granny What Would You Say #36!!!! MinaretsTypical(unreal) 1 sweet world(began w/ Dave singing opening line,1 sweet world) Ants Marching Tripping Billies Although the last few were pretty common,there was intensity that I can't explain.For example,when Dave stepped back and let the crowd sing "People In Every Direction" or the smooth minaretstypical transition that left me speechless. Sorry for the length but I thought this might be of interest. P.S.Got the adress and phone # of the first dude to plug in.(DAT)Top Permalink
Get In Line (new tune,Everyone ended up doing something) nice Cry Freedom Cry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLY RICE!Top Permalink
I went to sleep at four this morning, got up at eight and drove three hours to Athens to get tickets. When I got there I waited for over an hour in line(it rained a little). Then it sold out when I was about 20 feet from the door. I then drove back home, it took three hours and a half hours(I got lost). I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm bitching, but I just can't understand why they couldn't sell tickets over the phone. It makes it kind of hard to follow a band when you have to drive to where they are playing twice. Anyway if anybody has an extra I'd really appreciate you letting me know. P.S. To all of you guys who got your friends to stand in line so that you could get extra tickets to scalp for three times what they cost YOU SUCK!Top Permalink
Dancing Nancies(Could I have been lost somewhere in Providence) Here's a new one for you Rick. Song that Jane Likes Good to see her back. Get In Line (new tune,Everyone ended up doing something) Hurrah. Are the words coherent? Jimi Thing (10 minutes at least) Rhyme and Reason(intense) a nice package. Cry Freedom Cry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ohh Boy. This was the last one I expected. Granny My friend is psyched-one of his favs and he was there. #36!!!! of course. MinaretsTypical(unreal) It seems that Dave and the boys still have it in them. Hope it continues. At least until Northhampton. :) alex crothersTop Permalink
I saw the show in Pittsburgh. It was great, even though the set wasn't very long. Rusted Root was good too. Anyways, I've got a copy if anyone is interested in trading. VinceTop Permalink
Could somebody out there verify this, that the BHT show in Charleston on OCT. 16th is for free. Write back with details. Thanks.Top Permalink
hello everybody-- i'm new to the list, so this is my first post. i was wondering if anyone has information on the show in Oxford, Mississippi on Wed, Oct 19. is it all ages? how should i get tickets? what's the likelihood of it being sold out? if anyone can answer any of these i would appreciate it. i really need to see Dave there--it's been a while since my last show! thanks! lorin mcguire "mcglj@vax.rhodes.edu"Top Permalink
October 14 I would really appreciate them helping me out. It's been a while since I've seen Dave and to my surprise tickets sold out within a few hours after going on sale. People were already scalping them for $50.00 while I dejectedly walked back to my car to drive back to Atlanta! Once again, anybody with tickets or info on how to get some, please e-mail me. Thanks.Top Permalink
Where did Boyd go? new album? It seems as though he has been turned into a background sound. Thank God he's still upfront and loud on the road. I guess I'm just trying to relive the old "Boyd Tinsley Band" days. Remember? stickers Seattle show,(with a bunch of balding RCA exec's) I'm very interested in getting a copy. Also, if there's a tape floating around of the August Birchmere, Alexandria solo Dave(w/Tim) show, I'm looking for that one too. I have some tapes dated back a few years so drop me a line for a trade.Top Permalink
Wow, did DMB get huge out here. Their show at the Blind Pig was hardly even advertised and it has just sold out three weeks in advance. UTTAD sits at #5 on the Tower Records Top 25, well above BT, GSW and numerous other new releases. So, my real question here is who has an extra ticket to the Blind Pig show since I was too lazy to buy one so early? Thanks in advance (hopefully), Karl karlv@engin.umich.eduTop Permalink
Well here's some more proof that Dave is moving up in the music world I work for the radio station here at W&L and we get a weekly mag called the CMJ New Music Report. On this weeks cover there is a small picture "While the buzz on the Dave Matthews Band grows from its reputation as a captivating live act, UTTAD proves the band is capable of making engaging music on record as well. With the help of producer Steve Lillywhite (U2, XTC, Peter Gabriel), DMB fashions a crafty melange of styles defying categorization, yet dedicated to the groove. Matthews' voice is an amazing instrument, easily adaptable to the variety of striking melodies and moods created by the top-notch players in his band. It's tough to pick highlights among the 12 tracks here, but the funky "What Would You Say" with Blues Traveller's John Popper guesting on harmonica, the unusual rythms of "Rhyme & Reason", the melding of saxophone and fiddle on "Ants Marching" and the lilting "Satellite" are the most radio friendly out of the box" CMJ 10.10.94 Recently is also number 136 in the top 150 and UTTAD is number 9 out of top 20 Adventure Picks.. Just thought y'all might like to hear this... Latr.... *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* |Chris "Boofy" Buford '96 | |cbuford@liberty.wlu.edu P.O.Box 322 | |Washington and Lee University Lexington, Va. 24450 | | | | it won't give up it wants me dead | | goddamn this noise inside my head nin | | | | _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ | | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | | _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ | | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | | _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ | | | |v3.3 | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*Top Permalink
Cry Freedom Cry? thing ? it's good to see it back. i'm glad someone jogged dave's memory...i just hope it's not a one thing in a moon time -- any more information on the new one? mellow, no, lyrics, phrases, jams? thanks. brian. it's good to see a big man danceTop Permalink
Help, I have a soundboard master of the last Boyd Tinsley Band show and have no idea what the date of the show was. It was from Trax, can anyone help? thanks, chad.Top Permalink
town. Earlier this year I received my 1st taste of the DMB phenom. at an ALTERNATIVE/PUNK bar in Des Moines, IA. I was one of 30-40 people in the bar that night (just by luck). Anyway, it was a outstanding show of about 45min of this month there is a TBA. Rumors have been passed amongst the local DMB fans that that the TBA is going to turn out to be in Iowa City, IA. at, I think, either the Union or the Fieldhouse. So I ask can anyone reading this confirm my hopful thinking. If it isn't going to be in I.C. I'd still like to know where it will be held. In addition, I've got the boot to the above show if anyone is interested in a short 1-sider. --Auf wiedersehen --Nate n_taylor@Storm.simpson.eduTop Permalink
if anyone has requested that faq in the past month or two and has not recieved it due to the fact that i let it get so outdated, i'm going to let you have it by posting it (i know i've said this three times in as many days....bear with me). if you want your own personal copy, then please request it again. i'll be posting it tonight around 10 or so, in hopes that net traffic will be down and it will not be surrounded by other information. also, it will be broken in half, so that it can be processed faster. ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
Hey everyone, The Blue Screen Show w/ Chico and Wisk, 2-3:30 Sunday Nights/Monday Mornings 89.3 WNUR-FM, Evanston-Chicago **Wanted Guyuute** I'd love to play it, love to trade for it, but it must be HQ (that's what the listeners deserve!) ok, without further adieu.. 10/10/94 "Brazil Theme" ............Brazil Soundtrack "Martyr"(underneathe opening)Rusted Root, "Cruel Sun" "Split Open & Melt"..........Phish, 7/9/94 Great Woods "Trina Magna"................Blues Traveler 5/12/94 Milwaukkee WI Dave Matthews' Interpretation of the Blue Screen-- "Recently"...................DMB 4/5/94 GA Theater, Athens "Gloria".....................Ritz Power Jam 2/5/93 (w/ Popper, Haynes, Trey...) "Letter To Jimmy Page"--"David Bowie"........Phish 7/15/94 Jones Beach "Do the Boogie"..............Leftover Salmon 6/28/94 Boulder CO "Big House Blues"............Ren & Stimpy Next week, with some luck...GUYUUTE!!!! / \ Brian +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |Brian Lipman chico@merle.acns.nwu.edu ( @ @ ) ---------------- | |Northwestern University { ! } | BL SCR | | |Bobb Hall #107, 2305 Sheridan Road ( \ / ) | UE EEN | | |Evanston, IL 60201 ( \__/ ) ---------------- | |Ladies and Gentleman...On Drums..Mr. Ernest Giussepe Anastasio!-Henrietta| +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Top Permalink
whats up, Can anyone give me the number for From Good Homes' record label so I can call them and get myself a copy. Thanks TimTop Permalink
kinda neat how cry freedom was played merely two days after it was mentioned on the net. now i have to go change the faq, and i haven't even posted it yet. so let's see if someone important is paying attention (we've been told a couple of times that they are, haven't we?) so how's about a drive in, drive out or so much to say? (here's hopin'....) ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
THE DAVE MATTHEWS BAND and MINARETS.NET FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS FILE. This file is being compiled by Rick Thompson stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu, with the gracious help of ellis of lemuria, Alex Crothers, and Gregg Carrier, and, of course, everyone on minarets.net. If you are a Phish netter, you may notice striking similarities in the structure of this file, and you may even notice that half of it is exactly the same. That's mine and ellis's fault. If you have a question and it isn't answered here, then ask me. I may not be able to answer it, but i know people who can, and i'll be able to get it answered here. This file last revised on 10-11-94. A2b. What is the Warehouse? A3. What bands related to the Dave Matthews Band have there own listservs? B1. Who is the Dave Matthews Band? B2. Equipment? B4. Tim Reynolds B5. Miguel Valdez C1. CD's by the Dave Matthews band C2. #34 C3. #36 C5. Halloween C6. Tripping Billies C7. What songs does the band cover? C8. How come they don't play insert song title here anymore? **Sections D & E are borrowed from the Phish.faq.file with permission.** **Please see the note at the beginning of section D. ** E4: PATCHING IN etiquette (needs to be answered!!) E5: DCC and DAT compared and considered ========================================================================== The First Question ========================================================================== Is this file as complete as it could be? The answer is a resounding NO. This particular question is date specific to the Oct 94 posting of the faq, and is intended to point out that the faq is still in a state of flux as the net has grown to immense proportions in the past two months. i encourage all members of the net to proofread this faq as diligently as you want, and to let me know where you think answers could use improvement, and what questions should be answered. Alex and i will be working over the next few months to make this file as overwhelmingly informative as possible, so be on the lookout around the beginning of the year for a new and improved, glittering frequently asked questions file. Information we could particularly use is detailed information on the setup of the archive site at the Phish.net computer at Brown, as well as a little detail on what World Wide Web is, because i have no clue. Seeing as i wrote to of the most important files for this net, as well as knowing all file administrators personally, i've never had a need to go galloping off across the internet to find these files. So have fun picking me to peices. I slapped this version of the file together in about two hours on a Sunday night in early October, so it's probably just full of glaring mistakes. (I'm not even sure if all of question numbers in the outline match up to the actual question numbers ========================================================================== ========================================================================== A-1. What is Minarets.Net and how do I subscribe? Minarets.Net was initially started by Alex Crothers with the help of Ellis of Lemuria and Eric Budke. The name of the Net comes from a song on the bands first cd, Remember Two Things, and was suggested by Ellis. Originally Sreaming from the Minarets, the band shorten the name of the song to Minarets. So the name of the Net went from Sreaming_From_The_Minarets.Net to Minarets.Net. I guess we all got lucky. This Net is somewhat different than other musical nets that you may be familiar with. To begin with it is not automatically digestified (see below) so whenever you send a message to Minarets it gets sent to all the subscribers immediately. Another aspect of this net that is different than other nets is in the way you subscribe/unsubscribe. This is a list of commands that may be useful in the future. let me know if you have any questions, problems, or toothpaste? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Send these commands to listproc@moose.uvm.edu as the first line in the body of your e-mail message. In the examples below..... These are some commands that your not as likely to use, but just in case **-subscribing and digestifying can be done at the same time. just ------------------------------------------------- A-2. What files are available pertaining to this net and the band? -------------------------------------- The Warehouse is minarets.net's setlist file. The file is being put together by Blake Campbell cambp_c@cs.odu.edu, and is currently not well enough established to really be available for your perusal. i'm sure when it's done, though, he will post it, and then everyone will know. -------------------------------------- A-3: What other listservs are there? The following bands have their own listservs. To get a complete list of instructions on how to get on any one of them, send a note to our illustrious leader, Alex Crothers jcrother@moose.uvm.edu and he'll be glad to set you up with a complete list of all of these band's Allman Bros. Band Big Head Todd and The Monsters Blues Traveler The Hatters (fomally known as the Mad Hatters) HORDE.net God Street Wine Jambay Mystery Jones phish Rusted Root Samples Santana Soul Hat Spin Doctors Widespread Panic ========================================================================== ========================================================================== B-1. Who is the Dave Matthews Band? of five musicians to create a uniquely compelling pop sound that combines the influences of folk, jazz, rock, world beat, and reggae. emble the players in 1991 to accompany him on a demo tape of original songs. Then a bartender at a Charlottesville, Va. jazz venue, Matthews says he aimed high, approaching the musicians he respected most. out. The trio then approached Stefan Lessard, who at 16, was already an accomplished upright bass player, about playing electric bass guitar for the band. When one of the tunes seemed to need violin, they enlisted the string expertise of Boyd Tinsley, and a band was born. who is the band's cheif songwriter. "It's pop music with a pretty posi- tive message. I hope it's accessible to everyone." strong individuals, each with his own interpretation of a given song. His band member agree. "We take a lot of different influences and and make something new out of them by playing each song the best that we can play it," LeRoi Moore says. It is this belnd of influences that creates the band's rich texture. : Dave Matthews (vocals, guitar) is a self-taught, lifelong lover of music who left his native South Africa as a young child, returning ther as a teenager after living in the United States and England. He credits and classical. Matthews draws from the folk traditions of many cultures from around the globe, finding common themes among their complex rhythms. For him, making music is about bringing people together, "lifting spirits." than separate them." : Carter Beauford (drums) was born to play music. The son of a jazz trumpet player, he is himself a renowned musician, and has appeared regu- larly on Black Entertainment Television's "BET on Jazz with Ramsey Lewis." "I was raised on jazz," says Beauford, whose jazz influence is evident in the makeup of the Dave Matthews Band. "Except for Stefan's bass guitar, we're an acoustic band," he says. "That comes from the early days of jazz, and from the classical influence too." The result is a multitextured sound that offers new challenges to Beauford and the other band members. "There are so many different elements in our music," he says. "You really can't put a lable on it, and that's why I love it so much." : Stefan Lessard (bass guitar) is a musician whose age belies his talent. An upright bass player who has played clubs since the age of 15, he was tapped by Matthews who "just had a feeling about him, his spirit, his sense but his band members say it's talent, not luck, that has brought him so far so soon. "The best thing about this band," Lessard says, "is that you get this potpourri of different styles." : LeRoi Moore (saxophone, et al) and Carter have been jazz compatriots for years, playing together at paying gigs and informal jam sessions. "Jazz is probably my main influence," admits Moore, who also has classical training. "But at this stage I don't really consider myself a jazz mu- sician." For him, the Dave Matthews Band remains a challenge because there is room to explore, to respond to the expressions of the other four players. "I have plenty of space to improvise, to try new ideas," says Moore, whom Matthews credits with arranging many of the songs he writes. "It's almost better than a jazz gig." : Boyd Tinsley (violin, vocals) finds it strange sometimes that he abandonedthe reserved precision of classical violin for the spontaneity of contemporary musical performance. "This was an area that I hadn't explored before," says Tinsley, who has been playing popular music since 1985. "When I'm really into the music, my whole body, my whole soul is into it." The band's diverse roots are a great asset, Tinsley says. "We're very Am- erican, as Dave says. Jazz, fiddle-style, rock, it's almost a melting pot of American music." The best thing, though, he says, is how much it matters to the audience, and to the players. "People are drawn to it," he says. "There's passion here." =========================================== B-2. What kind of equipment does the band use? In regards to equipment, Dave uses a Gibson SST Chet Atkins signature model. Boyd uses the GK to power two 12" Mesa/Boogie speakers enclosed in one 1x12 cab with a metal grate, sometimes called RoadReady but I don't think that this is the type here (you can tell by the covering of the cab itself). Boyd also uses a Boss pedal for reverb, don't know the model number other than it is a digital reverb, grey , with blue knobs. As for the bassist, he uses a Warwick bass, very nice if you know basses, I think, for example, that I've seen his model here in a store in Nashville for $3000+. And that's only a 4-string. The more strings, the more money, but that doesn't matter because he only has 4. Anyway, As for his rack, I didn't really notice anything there important other than I know that his cabs are SWR and am guessing that his bass power amplifier and preamp are the same brand. This is also VERY high-end stuff. I think that Carter uses DW pedals, but don't know about that. Cymbal brands can be seen. Have no idea about the saxes or violin. That's all I got for that stuff. -------------------- At the cd release party for Under the Table and Dreaming on Sept 27th, Carter showed up with a new drum set. If anyone knows any specifics, please send me the info--rick. =========================================== when the Dave Matthews Band originally got together in early 1992, they had a keyboard player by the name of Peter Griesar. Peter also played harmonica on So Much to Day, What Would You Say, and some of the earliest versions of Screaming From the Minarets. nobody has asked Peter for sure as to why he decided to leave the band, but dave has informed us that it was a decision made under the most amiable circumstances. Dave also told us that peter had just gotten a little too tired of the touring schedule. i suppose asking Peter would be the best thing, but he's not very easy to find. ================================= B-4: Who is Tim Reynolds? As many of you know, Tim Reynolds is credited with playing on four songs on Remember Two Things, as well as the entirety of Under the Table and Dreaming. So who is he? He's pretty much just a freind of Dave's from Charlottesville. Tim has been playing guitar for longer than some of us on this net have been alive, and Dave really has taken a liking for Tim's ability to spice up his (Dave's, that is) music. Dave and Tim have also done acoustic shows together. There's several of them out there, and by the next time this is revised, i should have a listing of all of them. At this point, the only shows that come to my mind are 11-29-93 at James Madison University and 12-12-93 at The Movie Palace in Charlottesville. There's also the Birchmere show that is highlighted on the Recently ep, but i'm not positive of the date on that. i know it's sometime in February of 1993. Check your copy of Recently :). Also to note are a few shows where Tim plugged in his electric guitar and sat in with the band. These include the Miguel Valdez benefit show (see question #B5) and 12-10-93 and 12-11-93 {i'm not postive that these dates are right, either}. Tim has a couple of cd's available, and is currently heading up the C-ville band known as TR3. Keep and eye out. ================================= B-5: Who is Miguel Valdez? The specifics to this question are a bit beyond me at this point, but i'll work on getting a definitive answer. Miguel Valdez was a percussionist from the Charlottesville area who used to make frequent stops to the Dave Matthews stage with a rather elaborate set of bongos. In early 1993, however Miguel died. This is where the specifics seem to elude me. I don't really know much else. If you do, please let me know. ================================= B-6: Who are some of these other regulars jammin with the band? it's a very unique instrument with a very unique sound. His most prominent work with the band are the touches he added to the studio recording of "Seek Up" on the cd "Remember Two Things", but he also played with the band the week of July 7th, 1993, when Stefan cut his hand and was unable to perform. He was also the guest performer between sets at TRAX on 9-7-93. He plays a bass that stands up on end (like a regular acoustic bass you'd see in a classy jazz band or an orchestra or something). However, it's much more thin and, as I recall, it had 8 strings. 4 of the strings seemed to be low strings and probably in the same arrangement as a bass (E, A, D, G). Then there were 4 strings on the other side that were an octave higher. The amazing thing is that he plays both sets of strings at the same time by fretting the strings really hard. The sound is really rich and the man can really jam by himself. Reid -SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU I was lucky enough to catch him at Trax on 9/7/93. He played for about a half hour between DMB sets and was fantastic. It was truly amazing to watch him play the Chapman Stick and I would strongly encourage anyone to check him out if you get the chance sometime. At this show he also played with a drummer, Johnny Newman, I think was his name and they meshed well. Supposedly Newman has played with DMB too. Anyone know anything about this? Anyway, after the show I bought Greg Howard's Cd which they were selling at the show. Its super and I would highly recommend it. You might have difficulty finding it in local record stores but here's the adress they give on the cd sleeve. Espresso The title of the cd is "Stick Figures" Brett ------------------------------------------------------ guy's flute work out. He played at TRAX, 11-2-93 and really gave Warehouse a nice touch, as well as giving some of the body which Lover Lay Down lost when Peter left the band. On the flute...Richard Harding is his name and he's a really nice guy. I saw him at my first DMB show a little over a year ago, but Tuesday was the first time I met him. He also like to play with various bands out in his residence of California, so if your on the west coast, keep an eye out. ------------------------------------------------------- from members of Indecision, as well as with C-ville All Stars, which you may know to usually include Leroi, Boyd, and Carter. When Kristin sits in with DMB, you can usually expect to hear a kick ass Angel From Montgomery. ------------------------------------------------ Alma Madre. He plays Hammond organ, and he plays it well. That's all we know at this point, so if you want to plug him any, send me (rick) a note. ____________________________________ "it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ __________________________________ \_________________________________Top Permalink
======================================================================== ======================================================================== C-1: What cd's are available by the Dave Matthews Band? the band put out it's first cd on Nov 9, 1993 entitled Remember Two Ants Marching/Tripping Billies/Recently/Satellite/One Sweet World/The Song That Jane Likes/Minarets/Seek Up/I'll Back You Up/Christmas Song. The only studio cuts on this cd were Minarets and Seek Up. The rest were recorded live at TRAX in Charlottesville, the Flood Zone in Richmond, and The Muse in Nantucket, RI. The cd was produced by John Alagia (who also has a musical act of his own called Derryberry and Alagia, and can be seen in the DC area). Tim Reynolds can be heard on Minarets, Seek Up, I'll Back You Up, and Christmas Song, and Greg Howard can be heard on Minarets. Recently (radio edit) Warehouse (acoustic, recorded live at the Birchmere) Dancing Nancies (same) All Along the Watchtower (recorded live at TRAX on 2-22-94) Halloween (same) To the best of my knowledge, this cd is still available through bama rags records. On Sep 27, 1994, the band put out its first major label release (RCA), Best of What's Around/What Would You Say/Satellite/Rhyme and Reason/ Typical Situation/Dancing Nancies/Ants Marching/Lover Lay Down/Jimithing/ Warehouse/Pay for What You Get/#34 you can hear Tim Reynolds on each and every one of these songs. The reason behind the repitition of Satellite and Ants Marching on both full length cd's remains a mystery to the entirety of Minarets.net. -If your local store doesn't know about DMB, you can order the disk and/or poster directly from Bama Rags Records at (804) 979-9695. However, it will be much appreciated (even if you order direct) if you'll tell your local stores about the band and ask them to get some copies to sell. They can call Bama Rags directly to do so. -------------------------------------------- C-2. #34 #34 is a very beautiful, very laid back ballad that seems very reminescent to Satellite. Dave wrote the song in memory of Miguel Valdez who used to jam with the band on a regular basis. Miguel, who was a member of Afrikan Drum Fest, died in the spring or early summer of 1993. (see q. B5) --------------------------------------------- C-3. #36 #36 is a total funkin' jam fest. It's about a slain South African member of the anti-apartheid movement by the name of Chris Hani. No two versions of the song are alike, and Dave seems particularly fond of the song. He also really likes to see his audience groove to this song, so be prepared to dance. ------------------------------------ Here are some of the more provacative and interesting introduction "Could I have been... the king of diarhea?" "Could I have been... mugged somewhere in Norfolk?" could i have been... parking lot attendant could i have been... a taxi driver and washing (in washing[ton]?) could i have been... lost in the big bad city could i have been... your little brother could i have been... anyone other than me? could i have been... parking lot attendant could i have been... a millionaire somewhere could i have been... lost in a crowd of a thousand could i have been... your little sister from Rich Prisinzano hey just thought i would post what i have so far in the what dave could have been category....... i know there has to be more out there.... a parking lot attendant his little brother... a policeman Va. Beach..... mugged somewhere in Norfolk (while playing in Va. Beach, Norfolk area) the president with diarrea... your little sister.... doctor, spreading good.... wating at your door step... Caught in public in my underwear??? Bartending at Millers??? Oh so embarrassed??? A millionaire in Bel Aire grease man from richmond a whore, give my your money, your money could i have been... parking lot attendant could i have been... taxi driver and washing (confusing line... could i have been... lost in the big bad city could i have been... anyone other than me "could I have been, a born-again Christian...could I have been, oh, they're all pain-in-the-asses..." at providence, RI, oct 10, 1994: could i have been, lost somewhere in providence --------------------------------------------- C-5. Halloween? The question mark is a key factor here. Everyone has a different a love song. But it also seems to be a hate song. According to Chris Tetselli of Red Light Management, the Make your own guesses....or maybe just zone into the music and enjoy. ---------------------------------------------- C-6: What's Tripping Billies all about? Dave has described during a couple of shows that Tripping Billies is about a late evening on a South Afican beach. Turns out that Dave had done a little too much of a particular substance that's controlled here in the U.S. (and in South Africa, i suppose) and was lying out on the beach on a beach towel. When a police officer (referred to as billies in some english speaking countries such as Australia and England) approached Dave, he handed the towel over to the officer with the mistaken impression that he was handing a loaded gun over to the officer. Didn't yer mom ever tell you to stay away from drugs?? :):):):) ---------------------------------------------- C-7. What songs have the band covered? This is the current list of the songs that the band has covered All Along the Watchtower Jimi Hendrix 2001/dueling banjos jam (always as an intro to Ants Marching) Angel From Montgomery John Prine The Redemption Song Bob Marley Exodus Bob Marley Nature The Samples The Eyes of the Maker Daniel Lanois (hasn't been done since Peter left) Me & Julio Paul Simon Sweet Home Alabama Lynyrd Skynyrd (also an Ants Marching intro) Sympathy for the Devil Stones Tangerine Zeppelin ============================================== C-8: how come they don't play ? anymore? this rather obscure song was written by former keyboardist Peter Griesar (q. B3), and when he left, Dave didn't feel appropriate playing the song anymore. Dave has, however, said that he would like to see the song appear on a cd someday. consensus has it that this song lost so much with Peter's exit that Dave found problems playing it, too. It had fairly extensive keys in the chorus and was usually introduced with a fairly rippin' harmonica solo by Peter. This, believe it or not, is one of Dave's favorite tunes. He's kind of saving it, as far as i know, for when he's really worked it out into a song that he's proud of. =========================================================================== =========================================================================== ***********************************NOTICE********************************** * This section was graciously donated by Ellis of Lemuria from * * the Phish FAQ.file. Any references to the 'net' within this * * section are specifically referring to Phish.net, but apply to * * Minarets net as well. Any material that is Phish specific * * within this section of the Phish FAQ.file has been deleted * * for our purposes here, and has been noted as such. Any * * material added by Rick is noted by {squiggle brackets}. * ***********************************NOTICE********************************** E4: PATCHING IN etiquette (needs to be answered!!) E5: DCC and DAT compared and considered ================================================= abbreviations, dubbing, dolby & dbx. ================================================= For the most part, The Dave Matthews Band is very receptive to taping. The general way to go about it at this point is to walk to the front door of the venue and ask permission. Usually you will be allowed to, but it's best to arrive early to avoid being shut out by a preponderance of tapers. A member of the net was once promised by the band's soundman that there would always be a sbd feed of some sort available, but there's no telling whether or not RCA is going to override this promise. -a tape deck (duh.) -you might need an extension cord -if you have power strip, bring it too -patch cables -at least three to four hours of blank tapes. shows may not last this -a pencil and pad -a pocket flashlight and most importantly, GET THERE EARLY!!!!!! ================================================== {In Phish.faq.file, this questions serves the purpose of } {telling what really great show are on tape, and circulating. } {With the current status of DMB tapes being very vague, this } {question is currently unanswered. If you can suggest a } {specific show to add to this list, send to Rick Thompson } {stu_rcthomps@vax1.acs.jmu.edu. } Some particular shows to keep an eye out for are van Ryper's 92, 11-17-92/TRAX, 3-23-93/TRAX, and 10-26-93/TRAX. Blake Campbell is currently working on the Warehouse, which will serve as the minarets.net's setlist file. someone also volunteered recently to put together a file specifically geered towards answering this question. ================================================= STU_GJCARRIE@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU |From Lee Silverman ST101137@brownvm.brown.edu: A Tape Tree is a way of distributing a popular tape to a large number of people. copies of a tape, everyone gets their tapes faster & there's much less work involved for the owner of the tapes. So I post to the net, saying that I'm running a tree. In that post I include a form for people to fill out & send back to me. (most of the info on these forms gets used, so always fill out the whole thing) After about a week of waiting, I compile all the replies into a "tree," where I arrange to make copies for 5 or so people. Each of those 5 people is given a list of 5 other people whom they are to make tapes for. Each of them makes copies for 5 people, & so on depending on how big the tree is. with the best taping equipment, so the tapes lose less of their sound quality. If you are on a tree you have one or two everyone). You do this by either sending blanks to, or trading with, the person above you. (Whether you send blanks or trade generally has little to do with your placement within the tree). The second responsibility you *may* have will be to copy the tapes for a certain number of other people. They may either trade with you or just send blanks. At that point your role in the tree has been fulfilled. Pandion@Brown.edu for some suggestions. {Phish specific material deleted} slackers on the net; expect that there may some problems, and that no tree will run perfectly smoothly, then be ready to patch lost branches to parents with a small burden. 2) Try to make your tree run well anyway, to preserve netiquette and tape quality, not to mention trust and credibility of and on the net process. Lee and Ellis are willing to give suggestions, at least, if not administrative help. 3) Running a tree does involve some time, not only to create the tree -- which itself could involve assimilation and organization of a hundred or more names and addresses, and being sure that those addresses and the tree links get hooked to the right people -- but to make tapes for the branches, settle any problems that arise, deal with orphaned leaves, etc. Remember, there is a difference between the person administrating, the person rooting, and the person seeding the tree. 4) The tree administrator is not the only person with responsibilities; as Lee said, everyone on the tree is responsible for his sections, and may at some point be asked to help out with stragglers, orphans, and late comers; there is no pressure, but there will be requests. 5) If you have a great tape(s) but not the experience, time, understanding, or interets to run a tree, you could ROOT your tapes to someone who IS ready to run the tree. Just post a note to the net (mail to phish@phish.net) with the subject "Need Adm for date tree". ================================================== with what you have (which assumes that you have more than a handful of boots) & to make it easier to let others see what you have (which assumes that you might one day be interested in trading for other tapes.) That is, even if you dont think one of these items is useful to have on your list, you ought to at least be able to give the relevant info on any particular tape. generation determination); Ellis tried very hard to find one. BTW, number gens how you want & be prepared to explain your standarization; there is no *right* answer. But, important info location of venue, source (FM broadcast, audience, soundboard, monitor feed, suzy-Q, studio, board remix), generation (you define!), whether the original was digital, whether your copy is on metal, whether your copy has been dolby-ized, some form of grading (try A, B, C; + or - for hiss & noise; try to be strict, it'll come to you), & any other comments (eg first {Granny}, only show with {an acoustic Tripping Billies, etc). quality and performance quality. You may want two systems, both numbered, both lettered, one letters and the other suffixes (+,-,=,*,etc) or whatever works for you. Just be sure that you know what it is and that you can decipher it for anyone who asks. {Phish specific material deleted} ================================================== You dub a tape & pay for postage; someone else does the same. (or, you might just send blanks; see D4 and D4C). The two of you discuss quality, length, choices, whatever you want beforehand, & mail to each other. This is the way that most tapes get spread out across the globe, though most tapes made are probably the dubs off of trades. One netter who currently has 160hrs, for instance, got 140 of those hours by net trade. | 1993 | What's the best way to go about setting up trades with other | net.phish heads? or respond to discussion of tapes (but see below), but you can also just talk with folks about their favorite songs and versions and shows, on email or irc or the phone or in lots at shows, and eventually you'll run into the knowledge of someone's having something you want. thats much better than just copying everything you can get your hands on. | I've arranged a half-dozen or so trades mostly by responding to | posted grovels, but how do the "old-timers" in this group go | about it? through the net and just get in contact every now and then to trade lists again. keep track of with whom you trade and check in with them again in 4, 6, or 8 months. You'll be surprised! | Do you just pick out somebody at random and send them mail | soliciting a trade? That seems almost rude, but how do you | run into more experienced folks with big tapelists other than | through pure chance? Picking up specific shows seems as easy | as waiting for somebody to mention that they have it, or | posting a specific request, but what if I just want more live | {DMB} in general? it's old, very recent, rare, or good quality... actually, with just about any tape given the current size of the net, there are bound to be many others doing the same thing. If every mention of a tape gets mail responses of 30 requests for that tape, the net is going to see a HUGE loss of discussions of tapes people have. That is, if netiquette cant keep up with growth of the net, the net is going to experience some qualitative losses. than a general "can I have it" question. Send your list with a few suggestions at the top; dont just suggest something, cause if the person has it, he may ignore your request. Dont expect an answer immediately, and BY ALL MEANS dont hound for an answer; even that takes time. It may not happen the same day or week; may take two weeks, but after that you should try again or forget it. ================================================ Sometimes, it seems hard to get something from nothing, but you've got a few things going for you. First of all, the generosity of folks on the net. Watch the net for periodic "beginner tape offers" and "reverse tape grovels." Details relevant to each are usually explained with the posting. It might involve trading, but will probably just require you to send money or blanks and postage. There's also the possibility to be a leaf on a tree even if you dont have tapes; in fact, that's a great place to be on a tree! And, hey! If you have many tapes (over 50? 100!? 200!?!) post a message and offer this service to the first five, ten, or fifteen folks that respond. Have them send you blanks and tape some of your best for them! You'll be glad you did! {Phish specific material deleted} ======================================================= ======================================================= In general netiquette trading terms, the following seem unless you've agreed otherwise. Don't use dolby unless you've agreed otherwise (since it cant be undone). Write on the back of the cassette labels slip unless you've mentioned or asked about writing on the J-cards. Knock out tabs after recording. And REUSE YOUR MAILING ENVELOPES!! Them suckers take up landfill space like... well... something voluminous! ======================================================= {*****DUE to the technicality of sections E-1 through E-4 of the } { Phish.FAQ, I've decided not to include it here. If you are } { interested in learning more about this topic(levels, azimuth } { adjustment, and dolby specifics), the Phish.FAQ can be } { requested at phish-archives@phish.net } { -Rick } {Question E-4 is a more or less Phish specific question, but the } {ethics of the question do apply to taping the Dave Matthews Band. } {Please send your answers/suggestions directly to } {Ellis of Lemuria, jeg5s@virginia.edu. } ======================================================== E-4: PATCHING IN etiquette (not answered yet) We need input from tapers (to jeg5s@virginia.edu) to construct an answer to this. I realize that there are enormous demands, and far too little thanks, laid at the feet of tapers, but I also realize that many of them, at one time or another, have only been able to patch in. So... what's ok? |I'm considering the purchase of a DAT deck to tape at Phish and |other shows, now that I've realized how fun it is to have live |music around the house. What's the etiquette involved in |patching into somebody else's deck who has a better setup than |you? Or into a soundboard? Is it considered appropriate only to |patch into somebody that you know, or can you just go up to a |random taper or soundboard guy and ask him/her if you can patch |into his stuff? ========================================================= E-5: DCC and DAT, compared and considered | Hey has anybody used or bought the new digital tape | format type decks? [some text deleted...] Does this deck | sound as good as a DAT? I think it may be time for a new FAQ entry... :-) Both DCC (Digital Compact Cassette by Philips) and MD (Mini Disc by Sony) use a lossy compression method. Not all of the original signal will be retained when making copies onto DCC or MD. Whether or not it is audibly noticeable may depend on many things, such as the compression and decompression algorithms, the audio equipment, or the listener. The music is also likely to deteriorate as it goes through multiple generations. For a digital format, I believe that this is totally unacceptable. Quality of good music should not be sacrificed when not necessary. At the moment, DAT is the only format (besides PCM which is somewhat obsolete now) that allows accurate digital reproduction at a reasonable price, and I recommend DAT over DCC or MD. The prices of DAT decks and tapes are generally comparable or cheaper than DCC or MD, and either (or both) DCC or MD will probably die out soon. As Philips has recently said in a said that better myself! Go DAT!!! |Are DAT decks soon to be a thing of the past? Soon? No- DAT is entrenched in the professional and high-end consumer market. Eventually? Yes- once mass storage technology drastically improves. That should take a while though, so don't put off buying a DAT deck waiting for that... 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