minarets.net Mailing Archive (page 11)

hey everybody!
a few notes on the show last night. 

dave only got to play for about an hour but it was a worth while set.
i don't remember the exact order but the set included

two step
ants
warehouse
tripping billies
satellite
all along the watchtower (w/ chin kinchla)
best of what's around

I think there was another but i can't remmeber right now......
oh wait 
rhyme and reason ok..

The Ritz was pretty big a security guard said about 1900 was capacity..
it was an ok crowd they seemed to be familiar with R2T....
most of the crowd sang along with ants and satellite
the set up for the band was weird...
the stage was crowded 'cause of all BT stuff so carter was placed in the middle
of BOyd and Stefan and Leroi and Dave....
the sound was weird too cause where i was the speakers sort of "missed" me if
you know what i mean..... I got use to it.... 
Dave seemed really excited when Chin Kinchla played on watchtower...
Boyd got invited to play on Manhatten Bridge and 100 years by BT...
Leroi played on some new song by BT...
overall good show 

sorry about the mistakes in typing but no sleep is tough to work with

see ya
rich
			

just awoke after last night's show.  god, what a drive.  
but worth it. . .i think.

dave's set was fairly awesome.  it seemed like the set that never was at 
w&m.  he opened up with the same two step - ants marching.
and he played BEST!!  wow.  it seemed like the crowd was trying to call for an
encore, but they turned on the regular lights and the in-between-music right
after the band walked off stage.  bummer.
the crowd seemed pretty much a r2t group (although thankfully dave gave us 
more than that :) 

blues traveler gave a fairly good show.  the sound guys totally fooked up
through the first 4 or so songs, but it gradually gathered auditorily
permissible momentum.  they played a really cool easy rider and some songs i
hadn't heard.  but the highlight was boyd on manhattan - 100 years
and leroi on some cooljazzytypething.  

but gee, i wish i could hear.  *ringringringringring*
were there any tapers there?  the security guard we were chatting with 
(who really dug dave by the way :) said that they were allowing tapers...
i've got a few trades. . .


keep dancing those bees  ;)

b.
____________________
"He not busy being born is busy dying."
			

were there any tapers there?  the security guard we were chatting with
(who really dug dave by the way :) said that they were allowing tapers...
i've got a few trades. . .

I talked with a couple, but they weren't on the net or anything, and none of
us had a pen..  heh.. oh well.  I think one of em said he'd be at the
DMB+Phish show today at Lexington.

Brett

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Brett Kingswell                                         bmking@mail.wm.edu
"Once it's too late you appreciate what a miracle life is.  You

			

I just got my tape today from that show at Benchwarmer's in Kansas on
3/7/94.  I was wondering if anyone has a copy of the setlist from it.
I misplaced the copy that I have.

Also, I am willing to trade a copy of this tape for other shows from other
places.  This is my first tape.  Since I'm from Missouri I don't get to see
Dave too often (and definitely not often enough!!!).  Anyway, I would
greatly appreciate any trade opportunities and/or setlist from the show.

One more thing, does anyone know when he will release his first RCA record-
ing?

Thanks in advance,

Dave Culp c526208@mizzou1.missouri.edu
			

Does anyone want to set up a quick trade (very soon)
for the February show at the Bayou?  I have Trinity
College and other DMB, Dead, and Phish goodies to
trade.

desperate,
kwon

please respond to BBRF@musicb.mcgill.ca
			

Is there a DMB setlist file?  If not I would be willing to start one,
and administrate it until I got fed up with it.  If there is one, someone,
please let me know, but if there is not one... heck I'll start one!
 
--Brian "Vic" Dietz

			

Here's my best attempt at a setlist for a REALLY smokin' show.


And now, Phish -
Set 1:
Set 2:


I may have missed something around Antelope, I'm not sure.  That was
a fantastic show, if you couldn't make it, seek out the tapes (and no, 
I don't have them ;-) ).

-Dave
			

wanna see dave and the colonel tomorrow...if anyone is coming through
richmond on their way to the show...could you please call me anytime...
like as soon as you get this reguardless of the hour of the day...

thanks
emily
(804)-281-7945
			

Can someone please post the setlist.  I can't fuckin' believe
they played Watchtower; I wanted that so badly at Lexington.

:)

			

So what was the Phish/DMB Drum Extravaganza like??  Did Carter blow Fishman
out of the water?

In my estimation as a musician (a guitarist who loves playing drums for sheer
mindless entertainment), Carter is not only a MUCH better drummer than John
Fishman, but is in a band that fits more to the style of a more show-offy
type of drummer.

What was the premise of it?  Did they just jam together (a weird thing for
drummers to do, but cool if it works out)?

Inquiring minds wish to know.

Ben

just another memo from the cellar,

**************************************************************************
* "I can stand brute force, but brute reason   *  --   Ben Sterling  --  *
*  is quite unbearable.  It is hitting below   * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
*  the intellect."         -Oscar Wilde        *  --   New York, NY  --  *
**************************************************************************r
			

Is it just me (and it may be since my DMB collection now stands at 6 tapes.
Thanks Ben!), or are DMB setlists very similar?  I have noticed that there
Nancies, Graves, Sweet World, Granny, True Reflections, Seek up, Satellite,
and Typical Situation.  
I know that's a lot of songs, but they seem to ALWAYS be played together. 
How many songs DO DMB have? The lyrics file says 28 or something around
there, but that doesn't mean every song is written out.

Anyway, just an observation.

Ben

just another memo from the cellar,

**************************************************************************
* "I can stand brute force, but brute reason   *  --   Ben Sterling  --  *
*  is quite unbearable.  It is hitting below   * --  Nebuious@aol.com -- *
*  the intellect."         -Oscar Wilde        *  --   New York, NY  --  *
************************************************************************** 
			

I have a tape from 3/23/93 that lists no venue.  I would appreciate if
anyone there that knows where this came from would tell me.  Thanks in advance

-- Marc 

PS-not to be rude ort anything but I am very busy with finals now, so
please no grovels.  
			

I believe all of us college students will be losing e-mail access fairly
soon so I figured that maybe we should have a file of summer addresses or
phone #'s so that all of us who want to trade can do so more easily. I know
the netters file is very comprehensive, in terms of addresses, but summer
addresses/#'s often change. So here is proposition, for those of you
interested, you can e mail me w/ your summer address and and or phone
number (include a tape list too, if you wish.) and I will put them all into
a file, which I will post to the net in roughly, a week's time. So if you


Later,
Sean Berry

P.S. Thank you Eric for these tapes are incredible, I love Doug Wannamaker
on FZ-3.17.93. What is he doing since Indecision broke up?

			

Sorry to send this to everyone, but someone asked for it a while back and I
I
One Sweet World, Tripping Billies, Satellite, Lie in Our Graves, What Would
You Say, Dancing Nancies, True Reflections

II
Minarets--Typical Situation, Help Myself, Warehouse, Angel From Montgomery,
36, Recently


there it is. by the way, I don't have a habit of keeping old setlists, I just
had this one lying around with some others that Michael McDonald gave me in
Chicago. 

Bob
			

Not sure why I haven't seen much concerning these epic shows -- but probably
everyone is still filtering home (Alex, Kerry, JMU people, myself, etc.)

Well, both nites were amazing as setlists and reviews on Phish.net indicate.
Dave jumping on Trey's trampoline during You Enjoy Myself and getting the
whole routine perfectly in sinc with Mike was so much fun to watch. And then
the jam into Somewhere Over the Rainbow. According to Jeff that was totally
unrehearsed. LeRoi just belted that out in a quiet moment and everyone else
went with it. Boyd seemd to be having a little trouble fitting in with
everyone else that nite, but looked and sounded much more comfortable the next
nite. Which brings me to perhaps the best encore at any show by anyone ever.
The Winston-Salem encore was definitely the musical highlite of my life. And
listneing to it on tape doesn't even capture the energy and excitement that
was going on on that stage and in the crowd. Everyone was SO into this encore.
I thought it was so classy for Phish to let DMB basically lead their encore.
After a five minute intense Drums jam (not intense like Panic, but still not
bad) and a five minute jam, Dave sneaked in the opening notes to Watchtower as
he always plays it. Everything went about as it normally does (with Phish
adding subtle intrumentals) until he got to the quiet part whre LeRoi nornally
solos. Well, it was Trey with an electrifying solo, then Boyd brought the
house down (and lost his glasses) with a ripping solo, then LeRoi brought it
down with a mellow shorter solo. Than Dave finished the tune as usual, but
apparantly the bands had not rehearsed a finish to the tune, and Fishman kept
drumming after the First "No Reason to Get Excited." In all, Dave repeated
that Four times and finally ended it by raising his guitar above his head and
ever (I know I'm including a lot of musicians here) In all the encore lasted
21 minutes.

The only downer of the two shows was Dave choice of setlists the two nites. I
was EXTREMELY disapointed (as were many Phish fans) that Dave chose to repeat
Tripping, Rhyme and Reason, Two Step, Ants. In Lex they played Seek Up and
Best in addition, and in W-S I can't think of the other two off hand. I'm sure
someone can post complete and accurate setlists. I just can't understand the
logic behind the decision to go with such a similar setlist when DMB had to
have known that there would be many of the same folks at both shows. Dave
certainly has 12 good tunes and some that are much better (IMO) than the ones
he chose. Incidentally the only song Phish repeated from one nite to the other
was Big Ball Jam which doesn't even really count. Dave definitely gained the
respect of many Phish fans with what he and the rest of the band did on stage
with Phish, but I thought his sets lacked the kind of musical creativity and
inspiration that Phish displays every nite.

sorry for the long post, but i'm sure that many folks were curious about these
shows. (good to see netters Kerry and Rick -- anyone else in that group on the
net? and fun getting kicked off the Wake campus twice)

Bob
			

Caught this show on the way back from the DMB/Phish shows. Well, it was a bit
disappointing. They only got to play for about 1hr 20 mins. The bus broke down
in West Virginia (that's the new bus) and they were stuck in WVa. for 5 hours.
Thus, they arrived at the gig at 11 p.m. It was at the student union and
curfew is midnite. Well, they pushed it back to 12:30, but stil only enough
for one set and no encore. The crowd was also very annoying. They were a
drunken pretnetious boarding school type of crowd (just to generalize a little
:)  ) and only knew Remember Two Things shit. (Sorry don't have a complete
setlist but it went something like this):

One Sweet
Tripping
Lie In Our Graves
Warehouse
Dancing Nancies
Satellite
Angel
Rhyme and Reason
Two Step
Ants

I'm pretty sure I didn't miss any, but it may be a bit jumbled it the middle.
Anyway great Angel and good to see Warehouse and Nancies (why couldn't they
have played those the nite before?)
The crowd was fairly non-responsive during non-R2T tunes when me and two
friends were dancing the hardest, and then they wnet crazy when the recognized
Satellite and Ants (two songs which are beginning to annoy me -- maybe I
should take a DMB break for a while)

Bob
			

stunningly good drummer but imo, fishman is better.  and, to disagree more, 
i think phish's music is much more diverse and showcases fishman's very 
unique abilities just as well as (if not better than) dmb showcases carter's 
incredible skill.  dave (or the band, who can tell with them) has come up 
with some really cool rhythms, but phish's music is damned complex.  some of 
the things fishman does with odd meters and such would be almost impossible 
for most drummers to do.  musicians have a difficult enough time playing in 
odd meters (7/8, 13/12, 15/16, etc.) and the way phish makes transitions 
between them (take yem for example) is stunning.  shit, this is turning into 
a dave v. phish post but getting back to the original topic of fishman and 
carter, i think they are the best two drummers i've ever seen live.  my 
brother said that at a show recently he was able to stand behind carter for 
most of the show and watch his drumming.  he commented that carter seems to 
be almost completely ambidextrous -- plays his high hat with either hand just 
as well, stuff like that.  you also have to take into account the huge 
difference in style between them.  carter tends to be a bit flashier and a 
bit more rock oriented while fishman leans towards jazz more (he doesn't hit 
his drums as hard for one thing).  

in their own worlds, though, i'd never replace either.  just listen to a 
carter drum solo and you'll realize how great he is.  then listen to the 
drumming in you enjoy myself and you'll understand the genius of fishman, 
too.

sorry this is so long but i'm trying to make minaretsnet just a little more 
lively -- it's been rather quiet here lately, it seems.  and strangely quiet
with all of the cool stuff that has been happening lately (how about a nice
long review of the lexington show for those of us unlucky enough not be 
there?!)

and a quick quote that i saw once that was funny.  from memory so probably not
accurate (okay, definitely not accurate):

"king crimson was the only band i ever played with who could play in 15/16 time
and still afford to stay in nice hotels."    -- bill bruford


eat, drink, and be a bit more chatty...

reid

-SPICE@DICKINSON.EDU

			

For 3 years I've found zVthem pretty similar. Like any band, they
need repitition in early years to work things out. This is a
young band. But, seeing many in a row might get dull for some.

FAQ File Administrator for rec.music.phish & phish-digest

			

Can someone please ID a song title for me?  On the Bayou tape that was 
treed (6/26/93) after the Halloween encore there is some filler.  There
are two songs, the second is Pay for what you get, but I don't know the 
first one.  I forget some of the words too so I'm sorry I can't be more 
specific...thanks

Brian Hauser

			

Somebody (I can't remember who) said
 So what was the Phish/DMB Drum Extravaganza like??  Did Carter blow Fishman
 out of the water?
 
 In my estimation as a musician (a guitarist who loves playing drums for
sheer
 mindless entertainment), Carter is not only a MUCH better drummer than John
 Fishman, but is in a band that fits more to the style of a more show-offy
 type of drummer.
 
 What was the premise of it?  Did they just jam together (a weird thing for
 drummers to do, but cool if it works out)?
 

No, Carter did not blow Fishman out of the water.  And no, I wouldn't even
say that Carter is the better drummer. Carter could NEVER do what Fishman
does, and Fishman could NEVER do what Carter does.

			

This show pissed me off.  I love DMBs music, but I can't respect a band that
has 30 great songs, but plays virtually the same exact 6 song set 2 nights in
a row.   Does anybody else that was at both Lex and Win-Sal feel this way?

			

thought i'd throw in my two bits on this subject since it seems to 
be bouncing around alot...

since both shops were already reviewed pretty extensively, i'll just add 
that i was disapointed too.  i caught a couple of the northeast shows 
directly before the phish gigs in the south and heard two stepants...i 
thought it was sick...but not after hearing it four nights....you can 
only listen to one tune so much before it just dull...

...the show had me smilin most of the time however,....to tell you the 
truth i was afraid these two bands were going to get together and not do 
shit...Dmb was going to open for phish and that would be the end of 
it...or more likely Boyd or Dave would come out to play a song.

....so in that sense i was completely satisfied that both bands jammed 
out entirely...Carter and Jon are the shit...two of my favorite drummers 
on the scene right now..i was happy to see them together...who cares 
which one is better?...they both rock.

their old material.  if this band starting playing varied setlists every 
night there's no stopping them and no telling how far they would go....
with the new album should come new material.

alex
			

I don't normally grovel for tapes, but I really want a copy of
Thursday's Phish/DMB show in Winston.  Preferably the whole
show...especially the phish/dave encore.  I don't have a huge amount
of DEMB or Phish to trade (I have 4 DMB masters and 1 phish master
(last year in WS) but I do have about 100 hrs HQ dead and 75 hrs HQ
assorted others (nothing non-dead is over 2nd gen, nothing dead over
10th gen, usually exceptional quality or very rare).
-- 
Daniel Blanchat   | Never limit yourself to what  | "Just walk away"
djb@mary.iia.org  | others think you should do... | Dave Matthews Band
			

To add to the agony of repetitive set lists, Van Riper's consisted of 
much of the same. Opening with One Sweet World, dedicated to his nephews, 
Dave played a fairly normal show. The usual Two Step-Ants, Best, Rhyme 
or Reason, Recently. The highlight of the day was a inspired Quick Lay 
with Boyd doin' some BEAUTIFUL soloing. Dave got really into it, and you 
could see his veins poppin' out of his head, like the good old days. 
Sported a Phish shirt during the Seek Up encore. Dave has a huge 
songlist, and should be able to be very varied. I saw him every week this 
summer at FZ and was never bored by a show, I've seen him 4 times in the 
last month (Brown's Island, Matoaka, Lex, Van Riper's) and have found my 
self dancing to the same versions of the same songs....what happened to 
the wailing Tripping Billies intro, songs like So Much To Say, Cry 
Freedom, Spotlight, and the beautiful perfection of Lover Lay Down? 
Where's Boyd's Wah pedal???? 
till they get it the way they like, and then they leave it. I much more 
enjoyed watching the band try new things to cover for Peter's absence and 
things like the formation and progression of Quick Lay than the 30 sec 
snare tap that reminds me of a certain disc...
in my 2 cents worth...hopefully spontenaity will return....
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two cents.  First, the deal with Phish just goes to show how much farther 
DMB has to go.  DMB played for about 40 minutes to under 1,000 interested 
fans.  This is at a show in Virginia, where Dave would almost certainly 
bring the biggest support.  So many have voiced their disappointment to 
me about the length of the set (if you can call it a set).  However, this 
is what happens when you are an Opening Act.  Anyone who payed $17 just 
to see DMB didn't know the billing of the show.  I too was skeptical that 
Phish would be such a big attraction, that is until another 5,000 people 
came in for Phish's show.  The last digest included an argument about 
Carter and Fishman.  Maybe what was said about Carter jamming is true, 
but carter also doesn't leave his drum set and play the vaccuum or 
harmonica or whatever.  As far as style, only Leroi and Boyd seemed to 
really fit well with Phish for the end jam.  Dave certainly looked out of 
place.  As far as Carter fitting into a more show-off style, maybe yes, 
being a better drummer is hard to argue.  Fishman fits extremely well 
into the eclectic jam style of Phish.  So to end this, i just want to 
remind anyone that complained about the show, Phish is hugely successful 
and selling out 5-6,000 seats consistently is not beyond them.  For DMB, 
5,000 seats is still a ways off.  Let's not forget that Phish has been at 
it almost 3x's as long as DMB!!  Dave will get what's coming to them, 
just don't expect it right away.  As far as the show went, WOW!!  great 
mix of old and new Phish, the Somewhere Over... was great and the encore 
just made the mood so much more incredible.  Couldn't ask for a better 
opening of what will surely be a site for future concerts

so how about some rsponses to this show and the Winston show.

matt.

			

there have been a few setlists with the song, "Quick Lay and Goodbye" on 
them 
the name of this song is actually "Say Goodbye."

alex
			

Quick Lay & Goodbye or Just for Tonight or what?!?!  Now that we know . . HOW
DO WE KNOW?  No show I've heard with the song ever has Dave announcing the
name.  Usually he says "this is something new-ish" or to that extent.  Where
and when does he say the name?

Teeming with curiousity

Dan 
			

I am leaving from the Town Point Park show to go to the jazz fest.  I 
hear dave will be down there.  If anyone knows where he is playing could 
you please mail me. Thanks
Gray

=:|o\.    |  |      |  ______                                              :=

			

   Alex just posted the answer to the most burning question in my life.  Is it
 Quick Lay & Goodbye or Just for Tonight or what?!?!  Now that we know . . HOW
 DO WE KNOW?  No show I've heard with the song ever has Dave announcing the
 name.  Usually he says "this is something new-ish" or to that extent.  Where
 and when does he say the name?
 Teeming with curiousity
 Dan 

i've never heard dave call it this either but apparently that's what it's 
copyrighted as....

alex crothers
			

For anyone that didn't already know, the show tonight in Norfolk is FREE. 
Boy O Boy is opening up.  The weather is supposed to be great.  There's
beer and food all over the place.  The Elizabeth river is behind the
stage, and big boats go by while bands play.  It's really a cool place for
a show.  Hope to see you there...

Did I mention that it was FREE???  Get your Williamsburg, Richmond,
C-ville booties down here.  It's only 40 minutes, 1 1/2 hours, 2 1/2 hours
respectivly...seriously..come down.  The show starts at 6...

Last time Dave played there, he played a little bar after the show called
Lewis's.  I got to see 5 sets of DMB that day.  Insane...

peace, be safe.
Blake



			

oh yeah...If anyone needs directions, I'm doing this lab all day, so I
should be right around this terminal.

I may have forgotten to tell you this, but the show is FREE.

Blake



			

here's a few cents about the latest goings on around here.  i was
at both lexington and winston-salem, and found both shows to be
extremely intense.  i walked into both shows not expecting much out
of dave, and got 'not much.'  i did really like the new rhyme or reason,
but the rest of the set seemed so stock, and so utterly predictable.
but then he came out for the encore at lex, and, i'd agree, seemed 
terribly out of place.  but even though his guitar seemed utterly
inaudibly, his stage presence was still there.  he definitly only had
but so much time to learn the tramp routine, but still performed it
flawlessly, and then when all of dmb came out, everything seemed to
mesh amazingly well.  i never even realized that carter and fishman
had switched until i heard the vacuum(but i will admit that i could
here a decided difference once i was aware--but it was not better or
worse, just different).  
then at winston-salem, i knew so well that dave was not going to be
that much different that i decided not to make a solid effort to get
in in time to see him, and must say that for me, a person who has
seen every dmb song a dozen times and would rather see phish for now,
that this was a prudent decision.  but then, after living the religious
experience of the encore, i realized that dave has made his initial
impression on me(and impressed i was), and right now needs to concentrate
on making his fan base bigger.  at this point, i can accept that the
way dave wants to make his career right now is to play familiar tunes,
so that when i say "wait 'til you hear this rocking tune called two
step" i can count on him to play it and impress my freind, even if
i'm getting a bit bored.  i wonder if anyone knows what phish was
up to in 1986.  i've heard tapes, and i'd have to say that i doubt i'll
ever make them a part of my permanent collection.  at any rate, winston
salem was indeed sic, and i can't wait to get my grubby little paws on
tapes of both shows...

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
__________________________________     \_________________________________
			

noticed that the address is at university of Vermont so then this is a
student, yes.  well
oh yeah can someone tell me again how to digestify minarets.  thanks.  This
computer stuff doesn't always come easy to all of us.
Any Dave heads live in New York in the Westchester area.  just thought i'd
ask.  I do and im always looking for new friends.
			

Set I
*****
Recently
Best of What's Around
Warehouse
Pay for What you 
Song that Jane Likes
Tripping Billies

Set II
******
Two Step
Ants Marching
Satellite
Rhyme and Reason (best version that i have heard this spring)
Minarets
Watchtower

It was a really fun show, and they video taped it with a hugh camera on
a arm that rotated all over the stage...the radio station said it 
was for the videos that will follow the release of the cd in september..
but i asked leroi and he couldn't verify the video...dave played in long
pants and had the legs rolled up like he was in a flood...the weather was
nice and they had nice special effects(visual) on a backdrop behind the stage
they played pay 4 what you get because they played it earlier on the radio
station...the rhyme and reason was incredible, especially the jam at the end

Take it easy-

Wayland
			

as far as summer netters go, let's just take a survey of who's going
to be online over the summer.  me and gregg will be(who knows, maybe
the summer will consist of nothing but gay bee posts...;).  anyone
else?  e-mail me, with your address followed by your name somewhere
in the message, and i'll set up a list to post to the net.

as far as digestifying goes, send to listproc@moose.uvm.edu
set minarets mail digest
and whammo.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
__________________________________     \_________________________________
			

i saw poi dog pondering last night and highly reccomend that you catch 
the show if it's in town.  they're from hawaii, so they don't come around 
that often.  the reason i'm posting this here is because they sort of 
remind me of DMB - not just because they have a horn section and 
violinist, but because they combine international influences with rock to 
create a combination of feelgood and serious songs, all of which rock.  
sound familiar?  go see them.
			

as of today, april 27, there are only 5 songs not included in the
lyrics file, but they all seem fairly easy to figure out.

#34
#36
drive in, drive out
rhyme or reason
two step

there's also an untitled song laying around on a few tapes, and
if anyone feels like transcribing the lyrics to anti-noise, go
right ahead.  i'd also like to get some of the more outlandish
versions of dave's older songs.  i've heard some pretty whacked
out versions of warehouse, seek up, granny, and a bunch of others
that had no form when he first started playing them acoustically.

as for halloween, i've put the lyrics that dave was originally going

love...
love...
love...
love...

since there simply are no two halloween's alike, it does it no justice
to lock it away as a stock song in the lyrics file, even if he did
put it on a cd.

i'll be sending out the lyrics file in it's current form next week.
then, if we get it finished by the end of the summer, i'll forward it
to everyone first week of school, and that will be the end of the 
mailing list format.

____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
__________________________________     \_________________________________
			

Being relatively new to the ways of the Matthews, I was listening to Two
Step, and was filled with a sudden and one of very infrequent moment of
CLARITY, and I came up with this great question that will just be EATEN up by

How the hell do they do the ending of Two Step without piano?  It seems
almost impossible.  Do they let some other instrument it?  It doesn't seem
like it would fit.

Ben, overflowing with love for DMB and keeper of the stupid new-bile
questions file.

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Not long ago, I remember seeing a post (from a Kerry?) concerning an
interlude in Warehouse called soemthing like the subj of this message...
The show date that was given, I think, was 11/3/93, but though Warehouse
was played at this show, and the show as a whole was pretty good, 
Warehouse didn't seem spectacualr, and I didn't pick out any t

shit, faulty bs key...
Anyway, that ver of Warehouse didn't have anything special about it,
and I am trying to get a clarification of the show date that has this
Ballroom jam thing on it... Warehouse is my current fav song, and I'd
love to get a copy of the show in question..
Thanks in advance,
--Will Seay
			

I'd like to clarify the "Poi from Hawaii" stuff.  Poi Dog Pondering is
from Chicago.  They mostly play the Chicago area and the midwest.  They
may have some silly sounding "Hawaiian" songs like "Te Manu Pukarua" or
"Aloha Honalulu", but they are not from Hawaii.

--Brian "Vic" Dietz
			

electric ballroom jam during warehouse......?

what the hell is an electric ballroom jam? sounds interesting. sounds 
like the kind of thing dave should be doing more often rather than 
playing satellite everynight....

can anyone elaborate on this? i don't remember the earlier post 
describing this...

alex
			

I know that some of the members of the Pondering Dog were from Hawaii, and
I actually think the band got together in Texas.  Kind of a remnants of
former bands getting together to blend a buch of different styles.  Though
I'm not in the band so I can't say for sure.

Jason
			

 
 can anyone elaborate on this? i don't remember the earlier post 
 describing this...

The only show I know that sounds like this is the warehouse from Election 
Night at Trax in 92. right in the middle of Warehouse they mellow out and 
go into this long cool jam with lots o boyd solo then they went right 
back into it. A good tape to find...
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 The only show I know that sounds like this is the warehouse from Election 
 Night at Trax in 92. right in the middle of Warehouse they mellow out and 
 go into this long cool jam with lots o boyd solo then they went right 
 back into it. A good tape to find...

there's a couple of Warehouses from 11/92 that go into this same mellow
groovy Waltzey style jam.  I think that in Feb or March of 93 there are
one or two also.  Let me check the tapes to be sure.  It's funny to think
that Warehouse could take off and go so many different places. 
Warehouse-Wild Thing-Warehouse was cool the two times he did it.
I'd never seen it labeled as Electric Ballroom Jam, that describes it
perfectly though.  Boyd went heavy on the delay and wah, ala Baboon Farm...

be safe, good luck with exams and peace.
Blake



			

"Carter could NEVER do what Fishman
does, and Fishman could NEVER do what Carter does."-Kerry

Very true.  Why bother comparing musicians unless they play the same style?
But, back to the Lex show.  Did anyone else get the impression that Phish 
was rather confused through most of the night?  They sounded so spaced 
out the whole night.  The jams inbetween verses were really weird, 
lacking consistency, not much rhythm, etc.  Not that I didn't enjoy 
myself, but, it wasn't like other Phish shows I've been to.  Also, this 
might realne, but di t seem like there wer lotofnis comin out of tPhi 
miking?  I heard flanging all over the place and just sounds that I don't 
and can't figure that they made.  Anyone?  
Leroi definately saved the day at the end, though.  The jam was, again, 
lacking everything until he played the theme.  I was really impressed by 
how he took charge of the situation.  That's it.  Graham


			

I believe it was Ben Sterling who asked if Carter blew Fishman out of the water

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!   YOU FOOL!

Carter is NOT as you put it "a far superior drummer to Fishman"...
Carter himself recognizes this and he acknowledged it to Fish at Lexington...

Will you all please realize that the Dave Matthews Band is not the pinnacle of
musical achievement?

Both are extremely good drummers, but I think there are a lot of things Fish
CAN do that Carter CANNOT...maybe that's why Fish was giving Carter pointers. 
In your face drumming is not neccessarily the best Ben...

Flame me personally please...

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ques-ti-on....
very short(@3 and a half min), and you can hear a few whistles in the 
background. the _second_ verse is 'do you think that we might last?' and no 
where in the song does he sing the oh-so-familiar 'you came to me like 
wine'.  
anyone? anyone? i'd greatly 'preciate it. 

happy thunderstorms and heat lightning, 
clare emily
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I believe it was Ben Sterling who asked if Carter blew Fishman out of the water

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!   YOU FOOL!

 [ comments on how some bands apparently are and are not the pinnacle of
 [ musical talent ]

Flame me personally please...

Well, no, I won't.  I think it's kind of rude to be so rude to someone then
request any followups to email.

Also, if you're going to say one drummer is superior to another, it would be
nice to explain how/why, other than just "x can do things y can't".

Brett

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 noticed that the address is at university of Vermont so then this is a
 student, yes.  well


..yes, minarets is run from the Univ. of Vermont and by a student (that's 
me)...as it turns out, i will not be living here this summer so i will 
not have direct access....so what does this mean?  ..i don't know.

most likely, i'll be able to telnet from a host site somewhere 
but....that gets confusing/difficult/timeconsuming/$$.....i'll also be on 
the road alot so finding a computer and an internet site will be few and 
far between...

Minarets can [probably] go on without anyone administrating it for 
awhile....i guess we'll see.  Hopefully i'll get the chance to check in 
every week or so and i imagine traffic will be slow since they will be in 
the studio alot of the time and not doing live shows....the subscribers 
that still have access ove the summer just need to catch any 
subscribe/undubscribe/digestify messages sent to minarets and get them on 
the right path..

anone have any suggestions?  anyone think this won't work?

alex 

			

 was rather confused through most of the night?  They sounded so spaced 
 out the whole night.  The jams inbetween verses were really weird, 
 lacking consistency, not much rhythm, etc.  Not that I didn't enjoy 
 myself, but, it wasn't like other Phish shows I've been to.  Also, this 
 might realne, but di t seem like there wer lotofnis comin out of tPhi 
 miking?  I heard flanging all over the place and just sounds that I don't 
 and can't figure that they made.  Anyone?  
 Leroi definately saved the day at the end, though.  The jam was, again, 
 lacking everything until he played the theme.  I was really impressed by 
 how he took charge of the situation.  That's it.  Graham

everybody except themselves.  There music has more rhythm than just about
anyone.  Leroi sounded good, but I wouldn't say that he "saved the day,"
considering that Phish had already played Antelope and Harry Hood, and Leroi
wasn't going to top those.

			

I write to you all today with some extremely sad news that I just heard 
from someone at Local 186, the club, in Allston MA, at which Poi Dog 
Pondering was scheduled to play this saturday night.

The show is cancelled.

There will be no PPD concert this saturday, and in fact, apparently the
entire tour has been cancelled.  This is because someone in the band (the
woman did not say who) was diagnosed with cancer this week.  [added 
evidence, Irving Plaza show was just cancelled, because of 'illness'.]

This is obviously an extremely unfortunate situation.  Since (and this is 
going out to various people so forgive me if it doesn't apply to you) 
there has been some talk lately about this band, I figured you ought to 
know.  [Daniel, forward to HORDEnet if you would?] 

--Ben

			

I was originally waiting for Jen Sansbury to get back on-line
since she's much more up on her Poi Dog Pondering trivia than I
am, but not knowing when she'll be back, I suppose I'll add my
two cents' worth.

Poi Dog Pondering originally formed in Hawaii but, with some
member changes, became noticed and got their recording deal in
Austin. They fairly recently moved their home base to Chicago
(accompanied by more personnel shifts).

The current tour was in support of their fourth national release,
but sadly has had to be cancelled. Brigid Murphy, the significant
other of Frank Orrall (the band's singer), has had a relapse of
cancer and is back in the hospital. No less upsetting, but for
Chicago show is the only one on the tour that will still go on.

--Cindy
			

Flame me personally please...

Well, no, I won't.  I think it's kind of rude to be so rude to someone then
request any followups to email.
in case you haven't been paying attention to the general evolution of internet,
when someone blatently opens himself up for slamming, most of the people 
around him don't feel like watching the slam happen, because it makes for
really tedious listserv digests.  when someone invites you to flame him
personally, it's simply the best way to go.  for that matter, when someone 
doesn't invite you to do it, it's even better.  in fact, don't flame him.  
just flood his mailbox full of useless wastes of disk space.  ;)

                                         
Also, if you're going to say one drummer is superior to another, it would be
nice to explain how/why, other than just "x can do things y can't".

i'll justify it simply by saying, or more like reiterating, that fishman
can't do a lot of things that carter can.  i'll say that gregg was a bit
immature (sorry gregg;) by answering ben's "carter is better than fishman"
by saying "your wrong, fishman is better than carter,"  but it really is
what ben was asking for.  both bands have there own peaks and valleys, and
saying anything to the effect that one is better than the other is useless
and great flamebait.  it holds true through the entire genre.  i rank my
1)phish
2)dave
3)widespread panic
4)everything
5)samples
top bands that belong in the shitter with my next unloading of
1)the dead
2)aru
3)blues traveler
4)god street wine

OBVIOUSLY i disagree with some people on some aspects here, and even
though my point here is that saying that one band is the greatest and
another sucks, i'm still going to get flamed hardcore for saying that
the dead sucks.  if it helps, read as saying "i don't like the dead"

it goes to show just how funny the gay bee posts really were.  maybe 
some fifty lines worth of precious minarets net space, and everyone
gets all tee'd off because "we're wasting your time" or "you don't
understand."  lighten' up for chrissakes.  anyone who's spent more
than ten minutes on an internet bb has dealt with it, and i can say
look in the mirror when you decide to flame me and gregg for getting
drunk, kicking back, and laughing our asses off when we decide to throw
a wrench in the works and watch the light show that ensues.  

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sorry to people across the county who don't care what's going on at
the radio station at jmu, but i'm trying to reach as many people as
possible, and there's a lot of dukes around here.  ;)

tomorrow (sunday, may 1st), i'm going to broadcast the february 22nd
trax show which are highlighted (rather poorly, i might add) on the
recently ep.  beginning at 12 noon and running until about 2:00 or
so.  i figure i'll post the setlist for the matter of people who
tape 1/set I 
side I                                 side II
seek up                             satellite
tripping billies                    #36
song that jane likes                true reflections
help myself               
what would you say

tape 2/set II
side 1                                 side 2
ants marching                        ...thing
minarets                             lover lay down
typical situation                    watchtower
granny                               dancing nancies

as for the first tape, satellite will prolly fade in because i missed the
first few seconds of the song, and it cuts in somewhat abruptly, (but
not that muched is missed)
the jimi thing cuts over to the second side, but it happens at a really
quiet part just after his guitar solo.
my apologies, but halloween will have to be censored.  there certain 
times during the day when i could get away with it, but 2:00 on a sunday
afternoon might be pushing it.  i'll try to keep it as graceful as possible.
(i was thinking of editing in a blurb of riker's mailbox, acutally;).
the remainder of the show will be all phish, just random stuff.  it'll
make for a great filler for the some 25 minutes of extra space on the
first tape.
enjoy...
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Okay, I have a question.

In the lyrics file, it says Satellite is in the R2T CD booklet, so there's no
need to transcribe the lyrics, but it gives lyrics for the song "Satellite
(After Her)"

The inevitable question I have is what is the difference?  Lyrics, music,
direction of song, all of the above, or NONE of the above?


Second, I know I was JUST groveling for tapes, but I somehow lost contact
with a lot of you.  
If anyone is interested in helping out a guy with a measly 6 tapes of DMB
(though I have TONS of Phish and other stuff), get in touch.

Ben

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Andrew Zaff where are you?  If you see this message please get back
to me.  I really want to work out a trade...

--Brian "Vic" Dietz
			

i'll be ending my college experience in about 5 days and have been scrambling
to get as many tapes as possiblt before i leave "the circuit" as i affectionately call it.  for those who are still reading, i wanted to say i came across a 
december 91 DMB show that included Dave introducing a "brand new song" called
Big City, i think.  Yesterday i got another show with a great version of this
song.  Kinda like finding buried treasure for me.  

What happened to this song???

any answers, ideas?

			

On the topic of a lot of the recent setlists being similar, I was
wondering what would peoples reaction be to Dave playing more covers?

Covers don't take as long for the band to learn as new material, so
that could easily be a way for the band to diversify their shows.
Everybody (I think) enjoys hearing "Watchtower", 'cause they do it
so well, and I think they could probably orchestrate a bunch of other
well and not-so-well known songs by other artists into their regular
repetoire.

I don't think that playing covers would necessarily detract from their
From three fairly random setlists of the Grateful Dead, out of
48 songs, 18 were covers.  They certainly don't play covers for lack
of original material - that's what keeps their concerts interesting,
a lot of diversity, and a huge base of songs to pick from.  

Just a thought.  Come on Dave, play "Disco Duck"!  (just kidding!)

-Dave
			

I'm going to echo Blake's response to my first message, hope that's
OK with you, BC!

I'm still waiting to hear Carter do Trouble Man by Marvin Gaye...I've
suggested it to him on numerous occasions.  I think it would be great,
Jimi Thing-Trouble Man-Tripping Billies...that would be a great segue.
Me and Julio was always a fun song...covers are okay.  BUt I'm hoping
for MUCH new material to come out ofthe break and recording sessions.
I'm sure that we'll be seeing a big growth in material in the coming months.
peace, postive exam energy,
Blake

That also brings up a good point - where is all of the new material?
It almost seems that Dave is taking an awful long time writing new songs,
at least compared with other Horde bands.  I can probably count the new
songs from last year on one hand.  Does this mean that we can't expect
DMB to continue long into the future, as they will run out of material?
I hope not.

Me & Julio was good - as was "Hey Joe" (with Boyd on vocals and wah-wah
pedal).  Anybody ever hear their version of "Sympathy for the Devil"?
I have about 15 seconds of it at the end of a tape.

-Dave
			

my
 1)phish
 2)dave
 3)widespread panic  (I sing like I'm taking a shit)
 4)everything
 5)samples
 top bands that belong in the shitter with my next unloading of
 1)the dead
 2)aru      (I hope you mean Col.Bruce, and not ARU)
 3)blues traveler
 4)god street wine     
 
 OBVIOUSLY i disagree with some people on some aspects here, and even
 though my point here is that saying that one band is the greatest and
 another sucks, i'm still going to get flamed hardcore for saying that
 the dead sucks.  if it helps, read as saying "i don't like the dead"

I think the worst thing I've ever read on this net is that the Samples are
one of the top 5 bands around, but the Dead deserve to be in the shitter with
the next unloading of too much beer.
(Remember, don't read this as the Samples suck, just read it like "I don't
like the Samples").  
1) they are the worst band I've ever heard
2)  ALL their stuff sounds the same
3)  The lead singer can't sing, write, play guitar, or do anything cool with
the effects he uses on 90% of his songs
4) Their keyboardist, bassist, and drummer suck.
5) "Did you ever eat brown rice?"--DMB set break 7-27-93
6)  No improvisational skills
Hey, at least they have a good light show (not compared to Phish's however),
and the lead singer is a nice guy.

1) Great songs, lyrics, jams, singing; better drugs in the parking lot than
in a Samples parking lot.
2) I take it you've never heard 8-27-72?
3) Phil Lesh beats the shit out of ANYONE except Mike Gordon (and even that
is a close call)
4) Cryptical--other one      If you don't like this, something is wrong.
5) 30 years and still going.  How good will DMB be in the year 2021?



			

 I'm going to echo Blake's response to my first message, hope that's
 OK with you, BC!

fine with me Dave...

 That also brings up a good point - where is all of the new material?

Dave has it hidden in his sock drawer...

 It almost seems that Dave is taking an awful long time writing new songs,
 at least compared with other Horde bands.  I can probably count the new
 songs from last year on one hand.  Does this mean that we can't expect
 DMB to continue long into the future, as they will run out of material?
 I hope not.

I'm pretty sure that Dave has hundreds of songs written that we've never
heard.  At least some music and lyrics that will gel out in the studio. 
I'm really glad that they're taking some time off.  They need to
PRACTICE (something that they haven't done alot of) and work out new
material in the practice space as oppossed to on stage.  Dave doesn't
seem as comfortable playing a virgin song onstage anymore.  If he
screwed up in front of 100 people at Trax or the Floodzone, no big
deal...I think I'll really miss the evolution of songwriting on stage. 
QLAG might be our last example of that (with the exception of the
Atlanta song which has yet to be played again, I THINK...)  Hopefully
the jams will NEVER go away.  I thnk they're having to much fun to quit
anytime soon.  I don't think there is anything stale about the music
yet, they just need to vary the setlist a little.  Maybe seeing the same
faces in the crwod night after night will let them know that people
actually tour with them, and get sick of the same songs night after night.

well, gotta study, peace everyone, good luck on exams, be safe.



			

This thread is hardly appropriate here - possibly on horde.net.

Hope it doesn't last too long.

Dan

By the way-
			

 5) "Did you ever eat brown rice?"--DMB set break 7-27-93

THIS is funny...funniest thing I've heard all year...

okay..Kerry and I actually agree on something. this is spooky.

 2) I take it you've never heard 8-27-72?

heard it...smoked bowls the size of woks to it...so acid tinged you can
hear the liquid flowing.  It's one of my fave shows.  
Anyone that doesn't have this show and 2/13/70 should not say they don't
like the dead..

Kerry is a good guy..listen to him, follow him.

Blake



			

This is mainly for Rick and Alex, but anyone else who knows can reply..


 tomorrow (sunday, may 1st), i'm going to broadcast the february 22nd
 trax show which are highlighted (rather poorly, i might add) on the
 recently ep.  beginning at 12 noon and running until about 2:00 or
 so.  i figure i'll post the setlist for the matter of people who

I'm alternative rock director at WLUR at Washington and Lee and am 
interested in the fact that you can broadcast a live show. I had heard 
one a disc came out, bootlegs couldn't be aired unless the band consented 
(ie Dead hour etc).. What's the deal on this, does the band care, can I 
get shafted by the FCC or something if I play old summer FZ shows, etc... 
I'd love to be able to actually air cuts other than R2T and 
Recently....e-mail me info/ideas if you've got any...Thanx :-)
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let's all calm down.  obviously we don't all agree on the 'top ten' (or 
five or a hundred) bands.  what we need to focus on is that we do like the 
dave matthews band.  if i reeled out some of the other bands i liked and 
hated, i'd get thrashed, so let's all just say that our likes and dislikes 
are facets of ourselves, and that these facets are respected by all. 
regardless of opinion.  let's shrug this shit off.  everybody just go 
listen to a rocking version of 'seekup'.  or take dave's advice as he bagan 
'recently' at vanripers a week ago... 'some people like to dance, some 
people don't.  some people like to drink, others don't.  some people like 
to smoke a bowl, some people don't'  (or something like that).  so respect 
that i don't smoke bowls, and respect that i smoke marlboro lights.  don't 
judge me, and don't flame me.  i'm me, you're you. hold hands. smile. and 
give others hugs more often.  people need to be told they're appreciated 
more often...
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 let's all calm down.  obviously we don't all agree on the 'top ten' (or 
 
Smart words from a smart girl.......
Smiles everyone..
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 december 91 DMB show that included Dave introducing a "brand new song" called
 Big City, i think.  Yesterday i got another show with a great version of this
 song.  Kinda like finding buried treasure for me.  
 What happened to this song???

this is something i'd like to hear...

a tape from '91 and a song i've never heard.....

has it ever been established when dmb was established?..1st gig?

alex crothers
			

  december 91 DMB show that included Dave introducing a "brand new song" called
  Big City, i think.  Yesterday i got another show with a great version of this
  song.  Kinda like finding buried treasure for me.  
  What happened to this song???
 
 That sounds like a different title for "Spotlight."  Isn't the phrase
 Big City in that song?
 
 -Dave


good call on the Big City/Spotlight.....i listened to spotlight again and 
there is there is mention of big city, black city in there, so i'd assume 
these songs are one in the same....

so i guess that puts an end to the mysterious newly found dave song..oh well

alex crothers
			

okay, another dave argument is evolving so i would like to add some fire.

to start, don't put down the dead. period.  without them, much of the 
"scene" which we all appreciate would not be possible.  yes crypt... 
other one will blow your mind!!!  never been a better driving song for 
the road than Aligator/ drumz/ Goin down the road from Fillmore E. '71!!!!

yes, i agree the samples suck.  but so what, what do i know, and what 
does anyone else care about my oppinion of the samples???  Dave needs 
more covers, more new songs, more new something.  I expected more when 
they left the regular tuesday night trax schedule.  By the way, let's 
have some input/response on where DMB will be in 2021.  This is a very 
cool thought.  

nonstop continuous suck classics.  we just heard Big Bottoms from Spinal 
Tap.  Here's another from the oldie but forgotten file, "Recently" by the 
Dave Matthews Group"  just kidding , ......ah.  but am i. seriosly, i 
want to know what all of you think will happen in the long run.  Opening 
for the Jerry garcia band (jerry would be 77 years old by then , but 
still playing!!!!) maybe, it could happen.. so you better watch.

by the way Carter really does suck as a drummer.  Highly overrated.   
okay. enough of this.  gotta go

matt
			

 by the way Carter really does suck as a drummer.  Highly overrated.   

What?????
No one has mentioned Carter's ever present vocal performances as a key 
par tof the band too......
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tapes.  Anyone know anything about them?

			

May 2 Mon-Knoxville, TN Bijou Theatre

after that they have a small break until
May 12 Thurs-Fox Theatre, Boulder CO
May 13 Fri-Red Rocks, Morrison CO w/ BHT & Los Lobos
May 14 Sat-"    "         "       "      "      "

June 14th Super Jam w/ WSP, DMB and Allgood Athens GA outdoors

May 16-July 10 Studio Time-obviously with some random appearances

after July 10th DMB will be appearing in some East coast Horde dates

alex crothers		


			

Dave and Tim are apparently playing at the Prism Saturday night
with about two thousand other people so i don't know how long
they'll play but it's only 5 bucks. See ya there
			

 June 14th Super Jam w/ WSP, DMB and Allgood Athens GA outdoors

Isn't Superjam on the 12th?  Barry, help me out here.

 May 16-July 10 Studio Time-obviously with some random appearances

NYC, perhaps?

 alex crothers		

-Ben

			

i don't know for a fact that dave even has any new material beyond
say goodbye, but i have a feeling that he's pulling a ploy similar
to what phish did for hoist.  i think he wants there to be some
surprise to his new cd.

as for 'big city,' go back and listen carefully to the lyrics, and
maybe the base chord progression, and see if it reminds you of
spotlight in any way.  i've never heard the song, so i have no idea,
but it's possible.

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"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
__________________________________     \_________________________________
			

i just sent out the lyrics update to the mailing list, and the only
!in%"cbp7a@virginia.edu"
!in%"mverspool@liberty.uc.wlu.edu"

and if anybody else wants it, let me know.
____________________________________
"it is indeed a great gift of heaven\____________________________________ 
__________________________________     \_________________________________
			

I thought their name was something more like Hogwaller Ramblers, but I
could be mistaken.  I saw them open for DMB on 7/6/93 at Trax.  They're
a pretty cool bluegrass band.  One of their members is a lady who plays
a mean washboard, no joke!

-Dave
			

Dave and Tim are apparently playing at the Prism Saturday night
with about two thousand other people so i don't know how long
they'll play but it's only 5 bucks. See ya there

Where's the Prism?  What's showtime?  Any idea who else is playing?
Sounds great!

-Dave
			

THE CLOSE MINDEDNESS OF THIS NET.  ALL OF THE TALK ABOUT WHICH BAND IS BEST
IS GETTING RIDICULOUS.  LET'S JUST SETTLE FOR VAN MORRISON AS BEING THE
MASTER, THANKS.  ALSO THAT BIG CITY SHIT IS SPOTLIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE OT
LISTEN TO CHORDS.  IN THE EARLIER STAGES OF THE SONG THEY PLAYED IT VERY
STRANGELY, WITHOUT THE USUAL CHORUS LINE.  AND AS FOR THE PERSON WHO SAID
ARU SUCKED, HUH.  HEY EVERYONE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW (CLARE AND
OTHERS) GET A GRIP.  BEND OVER AND GIVE YOURSELF A BLOW JOB, MAYBE IT WILL
LIGHTEN YOU UP AND TAKE YOU OFF OF YOUR I'M A BADASS EGO HIGH....




------------------------------------------------------------------- But you
don't have to be that bright to qualify as a parakeet.  It's a two question
test, "Can you fly? Is your head smooth?  You're a parakeet."
-------------------------------------------------------------------


			

RHYME AND REASON (7/27/93 FZ)

So well I find myself this time
All to myself sometimes and I'm on a train
On a bus with everybody around me seated
Looking at the faces shutting me out
And I wonder why behind these eyes we hide--every day, every night
Don't speak to strangers, don't speak to another
Unless he might compromise your way
My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it, well, till I'm dead and gone
My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it, well, till I'm six feet underground

Hurry, hurry self, don't drag your feet behind you
Get what you need to do in your time, get it done
And don't leave any stone unturned, unless you
No door unopened unless you know what's behind
Oh don't dare answer to the left to the right
Rund down the middle path, what happens when you
See the path down the middle, and we're running in circles
Getting nowhere and nowhere fast
My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it, well, till I'm dead and gone
My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it till I'm six feet underground, there's a place
Where I'll find quiet, peace and quiet
And these lies in my head they leave me going
Leave me going, leave me going yeah, yeah, yeah...

So I might take a chance to talk to a stranger, on a bus
Yes I don't know why you're sitting quiet, (have you a life)
Four hours down this highway, not a word
Spoken between us, make me lose my mind, so I say
'Hey how you do, a photograph of your family, looks so nice
Like the way your hair fall back, yes I do'
'Don't talk to me please leave me alone
I'm busy, got a lot, a lot on my mind'
My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it, well, till I'm dead and gone
My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it till I'm low and low and dead be again
Don't ask why, why you bored of me, little girl
And I now, I wonder why, wonder why
We can't work it out, we can work it out

My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it till I'm dead, dead and gone
My head won't leave my head alone
I don't believe it till I'm rotting, rotting, rotting lie
Lie rotting, rotting lie, lie, lie...

Turn the windows are open, don't leave
The moment's passed I shudder what I could've done
Sometimes occurring, ( )
And the urge to open your mouth, don't shut it
Don't swallow your thought again
Open up and screeeeeam it, screeeam it, screeeeam....


********************************************************************


I guess this is just a little too late, but I've had so much to do and 
finally got a chance to transcribe the lyrics.  I realize this song is 
like Seek Up in that he often changes the lyrics, but I thought this 
was a great version.

Jamie Cogbill
			

Well I'm glad that I finally sat down to actually figure out what DAve 
is saying in Rhyme and Reason, cuz after doing so i realized what a 
truly great song it is, musically and lyrically.  I'd encourage 
whoever hasn't heard this version to listen to it or at least read the 
lyrics.  It's one of Dave's few songs where he actually tells a story 
somewhat.  it's the story of some person who is driving himself crazy 
because all the people around him are too wrapped up in their own 
lives and their own routines to take the time to reach out and notice 
him.  Possibly it's these people who are too afraid of getting hurt, 
but drive themselves to their graves for lack of affection.  Wow.

If I could only have a dab of Dave's inspiration.

While on the topic of lyrics...
The ( ) in Blue WAter, I now believe is "gashes" as in blood.

Instead of "Well no I'd love to stay" in WAREHOUSE, I believe it is 
"My love, I love to stay there."


Okey doke, that's all I's got to say.
Jamie Cogbill
			

just thought i'd share some alternate lyrics...

12/2/93 (solo)

oh me, the lights are on, leave me crying again...
i wonder, wonder if i could get out of this dizzy, dizzy spell
my god, my eyes are open but i feel i'm locked behind
can't get out, can't get what i need till you're 
out out out of my mind...

chorus.... (which we all know...)

so all these grooves seem to have me mellow
aww, sometimes she even treats me well
and the day begins i think maybe i can handle
get my way out of this hell
but, oh god, then the day continues, copy words, television
get me turnin about...
and i don't know, don't know if i can find a reason, 
find a reason to live this one out.

my head won't leave my head alone,
and i don't believe it will till i'm dead and gone.
my head won't leave my head alone, 
and i don't believe it will till i'm six feet underground in my grave
why won't i leave here, why won't i leave here 
let it, why?  and again... god i said, 'why won't you leave me by myself?'

why, see, at this moment i feel i  might be losing,
losing what little i've got.
i feel, i feel i might be losing hold, losing hold of what i'm not.
lay, lay me down... awwww
and my deathbed looks so comfortable now, it looks soft as hell

my head won't leave my head alone
i don't believe it will till i'm dead and gone
my head won't leave my head alone
i don't believe it will till i'm six feet underground in my grave
when i leaving, leaving a light, a life...why?
i won't say... i don't under-understand or even know...
god knows it... oh, won't you leave me, wait here... 
me and this scar...oh, and the darkness, seems so cold-filled..
the darkness will lead me home....

relay the underlying emotion of the song. i just thought i'd share them, 
since not all of us have vast amounts of tape on tape, and dave's lyrical 
phantasm is one of the most intriguing things about this band's lyrics...
let me see if i can dig out my copy of drive-in drive out and i'll send 
them in too....
smiles, 
clare emily...
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'In addition to every other good thing about dandelions, they are magic.  When
the flower turns to seed, you can blow them off the stem, and if you blow just 

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12/2/93 (also solo)

say, all you sisters and brothers
all matters if i divide us so
our own political words they ponder us so...
this side, that side
right, wrong... driving me back

drive in drive out, i'm leaving
"        "          i come back again
"        "          i'm leaving...
hell has it's own place, we carry on....

well, everyone sit inside, watch what's going on
well, as you will drive in, and drive us apart.
don't trust words that delight us or
get into my heart... yeah....
ohh ah  ah leah ho...  i run away, run away

you and me sister, sometimes i feel you figure it all out.
you and me sister, oh, we've got it right. 
our differences, differences, mother and in cold life, 
why must i steadfast, stand by what i think is right?

oh drive in drive out, i'm leaving
drive in drive out, i'll come back again 
drive in drive out, i'm leaving

oh, the devil he's not hiding underground, he's waiting by your front door 
(deep gloomy laughter from dave...)
well, tv men take you away, rock up your world
too many won't leave you alone, drive you alone
man, when i'm going back again, light in some peace....yeah...

(yodels for a while.... does the hard strummin, grunting, and ends.)

what can i say?  dave was rocking in blacksburg!! ha ha!!

don't be strangers....
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'In addition to every other good thing about dandelions, they are magic.  When
the flower turns to seed, you can blow them off the stem, and if you blow just 

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Hello all,
I was just wondering if any one out there could help me identify a tune Dave
does solo. The versions I have are on 7/6/93 at Trax (opens up), 11/3/93 FZ,
and 11/9/93 Trax (both after Say Goodbye). It's a very simple tune w/ Dave
keeping the rhythm goin' as he does in Pay For, kind of rocking back and forth
He often apologizes for not knowing it very well and asks for the aegis of
artistic license before beginning. A couple lyrics include (he really distorts h
"Old Mother" in the lyrics file and was wondering if that could be it. Some
other lyrics could fit that sort of theme. If any one can help out w/ this one
I'd appreciate it.
By the way, I think that it's time we start talking about the namesake of this
net again and not each other. Also, thank you very much to all those who
contributed to the lyrics file. It's a treasury for us all to enjoy.
Take care and best of luck (or whatever you need) on finals,
Eric
			

Cuz Blake just told me that that tune I was asking about is named (alternatively
we could only come up w/ 4 performances of it - 3/?/93,7/6,11/3, 11/9
Any others that any one knows of? Rick?
I do, some don't
Eric
			

While I think that it's a nice idea (in theory) to add Roi and Boyd to
Halloween, they've GOT to do something different than that godawful repeating
quarter note. It detracts from the power of the song and frankly annoys the
hell out of me. It would be much better if they did more things like Boyd
does when he mimics Dave's guitar and voice when it mellows out in the middle
and lilts down "why do run around here?..." Just a thought,
Eric
			

insert you b/w do run, run, run, you do run, run...
Take care all,
e
			

For any of you who are doing papers or studying finals I have come up with


I am very overworked, so entertain my boredom tonight, take a break and
contribute.
Sean

Get in touch I am receiving new goodies. Need your summer address for
vacation trades.



			

without a doubt...Carter sings Trouble man by Marvin Gaye...I'd nut...



			

everybody except themselves.  There music has more rhythm than just about
anyone.  Leroi sounded good, but I wouldn't say that he "saved the day,"
considering that Phish had already played Antelope and Harry Hood, and Leroi
wasn't going to top those.

Again, I wasn't trying to compare the two bands!  The 2 bands were 
jamming and playing nothing and Leroi saved the day by giving them 
something to play.
G
			

'sweet thing', a waterboys cover of a van morrison tune...

great violin..... sexy harmonica, too...... whew baby!!
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'In addition to every other good thing about dandelions, they are magic.  When
the flower turns to seed, you can blow them off the stem, and if you blow just 

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discrediting this or confirming it.....?


alex crothers
			

  June 14th Super Jam w/ WSP, DMB and Allgood Athens GA outdoors
 
 Isn't Superjam on the 12th?  Barry, help me out here.

wops. it is the 12th. my mistake.

the superjam with WSP and Allgood in Athens, GA is on June 12th...

alex crothers
			

the Prism is at the intersection of Rugby Road and Grady.  it is a coffee 
huse in a big white house.  cool atmosphere, herb tea and coffee only, no 
drinking. one of dave's friends -song/songwriter Shannon Wohrl is also 
performing.

alex crothers
			

to d. collier, who wrote "get a grip"  , i agree whole heartedly!!!!!

The DMB is not the beginning and end of the music world!!!!

to much seriousness in this world
			

 by the way Carter really does suck as a drummer.  Highly overrated.   
 okay. enough of this.  gotta go

Maybe you just suck as a listener (unless you're kidding, which I hope you
are)

 
 I thought their name was something more like Hogwaller Ramblers, but I
 could be mistaken.  I saw them open for DMB on 7/6/93 at Trax.  They're
 a pretty cool bluegrass band.  One of their members is a lady who plays
 a mean washboard, no joke!

The Hogwaller Ramblers broke up in Sept 93.
                 I AM LEAVING FOR THE SUMMER IN ONE WEEK AND I WILL NOT MISS
 THE CLOSE MINDEDNESS OF THIS NET.  ALL OF THE TALK ABOUT WHICH BAND IS BEST
 IS GETTING RIDICULOUS.  LET'S JUST SETTLE FOR VAN MORRISON AS BEING THE
 MASTER, THANKS.  ALSO THAT BIG CITY SHIT IS SPOTLIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE OT
 LISTEN TO CHORDS.  IN THE EARLIER STAGES OF THE SONG THEY PLAYED IT VERY
 STRANGELY, WITHOUT THE USUAL CHORUS LINE.  AND AS FOR THE PERSON WHO SAID
 ARU SUCKED, HUH.  HEY EVERYONE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A FEW (CLARE AND
 OTHERS) GET A GRIP.  BEND OVER AND GIVE YOURSELF A BLOW JOB, MAYBE IT WILL
 LIGHTEN YOU UP AND TAKE YOU OFF OF YOUR I'M A BADASS EGO HIGH....
 
                 IT HAS BEEN A JOY, LATER,
                                         COLLIER 

You suck too, but what was your point?
instruments faster than anyone else doesn't mean they don't suck--"Compared
To What" sucks beyond belief.  

 ----
 My corrections for RHYME AND REASON (7/27/93 FZ) in parentheses
 
 So well I find myself this time  (Sometimes I find myself whispering to    
 All to myself sometimes and I'm on a train           myself on a train)
 On a bus with everybody around me seated      (Or a bus) 
 Looking at the faces shutting me out   (Looking at other faces shook me up)
 And I wonder why behind these eyes we hide--every day, every night
 Don't speak to strangers, don't speak to another
 Unless he might compromise your way
 My head won't leave my head alone
 I don't believe it, well, till I'm dead and gone
 My head won't leave my head alone
 I don't believe it, well, till I'm six feet underground
 
 Hurry, hurry self, don't drag your feet behind you
 Get what you need to do in your time, get it done
 And don't leave any stone unturned, unless you
 No door unopened unless you know what's behind
 Oh don't dare answer to the left to the right
 Rund down the middle path, what happens when you
 See the path down the middle, and we're running in circles
 Getting nowhere and nowhere fast
 My head won't leave my head alone
 I don't believe it, well, till I'm dead and gone
 My head won't leave my head alone
 I don't believe it till I'm six feet underground, there's a place
 Where I'll find quiet, peace and quiet
 And these lies in my head they leave me going
 Leave me going, leave me going yeah, yeah, yeah...
 
 So I might take a chance to talk to a stranger, on a bus
 Yes I don't know why you're sitting quiet, (have you a life)
 Four hours down this highway, not a word
 Spoken between us, make me lose my mind, so I say
 'Hey how you do, a photograph of your family, looks so nice (can I 
 Like the way your hair fall back, yes I do'
 'Don't talk to me please leave me alone
 I'm busy, got a lot, a lot on my mind'
 My head won't leave my head alone
 I don't believe it, well, till I'm dead and gone
 My head won't leave my head alone
 I don't believe it till I'm low and low and dead be again (I don't believe 
 Don't ask why, why you bored of me, little girl
 And I now, I wonder why, wonder why
 We can't work it out, we can work it out
 
Sorry about the length

			

Since this seems to be a rather macho line I am kind of afraid to ask
but....
Whoever puts out the lyrics ...Cogbill?....could you tell me where I can
find the words to Whatchtower?  If its a stupid question just tell me where
if not then could you post em.  
			

uh...huh-huh.... ummmm... is this the beavis net or what?

can someone forward me info on saturday's show. i'll definitely e
be there, but need date and time.

FAQ File Administrator for rec.music.phish & phish-digest

			

the first 'official' dave matthews band gig appears to be march 14, 1991.  
Boyd was not part of the band but was invited on stage to jam.

alex crothers
			

Blake, I lost your address for where you want your tapes sent.
Could you send it to me?   Thanks